[Trombone-l] Trombone for new elementary school player

Wed Mar 4 16:37:30 CST 2009

Simple solution:? probably most inexpensive.? Buy a Conn Director, or a Bundy, used or coming off a school rental plan.? This has already been put forth.

If there is then a catastrophe, or if the child says "Nix" no great loss.? Also most repair places have ready parts.

beldon wade

-----Original Message-----
From: kate Lord <katellord at gmail.com>
To: trombone-l at samford.edu
Sent: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 5:07 pm
Subject: [Trombone-l] Trombone for new elementary school player

Dear Price,

I have been very impressed with the Jupiter 438L, ergonomic model.

It has a rest bar (similar to the Greenhoe bar), a contoured neck pipe, a
hand grip molded around the cross bar and even an extra long spit valve
lever so they can reach it (with out trying to use their foot)

It may not have the greatest tone but the students that I have playing this
instrument, with the little modifications for little people certainly find
it much easier than those who have standard instruments.

http://www.jupitermusic.com/jbi_instrumentDetails.aspx?cId=30&lId=2&sId=1&pId=30

Does anyone else use this model with their students (or know if you can buy
the hand grips to put on standard trombones?)

~Kate

---------- Forwarded message ----------

> From: Eric Swanson <boneman88 at sbcglobal.net>
> To: Trombone List <trombone-l at samford.edu>
> Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 10:50:06 -0600
> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Trombone for new elementary school player
>
> On Mar 4, 2009, at 9:06 AM, Price Taylor wrote:
>
>
>> I'm looking for recommendations for a beginner's trombone - ideally
>> something to last to 9th grade.  The Yamaha YSL-354 appears to be the
>> choice
>> of many, although I have no experience with Yamaha trombones (I play a
>> Conn
>> 88H and King 3B).
>>
>> Any other suggestions?
>>
>>
>>
> Price,
>
> The Yamaha is an excellent beginner horn.  Also consider the Getzen 351.
>  Either one can make a decent Jazz horn for later on after (if) he steps up
> to something like an 88H for concert band/orchestra work.  You should be
> able to find tons of them used for cheap.  Beginner horns have terrible
> resale value.
>
> Eric Swanson
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Charles DePaolo" <chuck at hickeys.com>
> To: "Trombone List" <trombone-l at samford.edu>
> Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 11:53:24 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Trombone for new elementary school player
> > Hello list, my youngest son is 10, in 4th grade, and
> > is expressing an interest in playing the trombone...
>
> My advice as a music store 
owner - use a good quality student horn, not
> something "better."  Yes, that's right, I'm encouraging you to spend
> less, not more.  Why?
>
> 1. Student horns are built stronger and can handle the stress your kid
> and others will put on it.  Even if your kid is a perfect angel, the kid
> sitting next to/behind/in front of them in band was raised by wolves and
> will sooner or later interact unkindly with your kid's axe.
>
> 2. Student horns generally have lightweight, super durable cases that
> can really take a beating. Think "crowded school bus, Friday afternoon,
> warm spring day."
>
> 3. Student horns have the right combination of mouthpiece, leadpipe,
> bore and bell size to make it easy for a beginner to get started. And
> that's the whole point--to get off to a rapid start. Think of beginner
> horns as first gear in your car--great for getting started from a
> standstill (but probably not want you want to use to drive all the way
> to the grocery store--see below). Sorry to overuse the "--". This will
> help your kid be more successful and help keep them from falling behind
> their peers. If that happens, they may feel like "you know what" and
> toss the idea of playing the horn and instead join the <insert your
> worst nightmare here>.
>
> 4. Use your Visa, make a few payments to the card company and avoid
> rent-to-own to save beacoup bucks.
>
> 5. A few years from now, your kid or you, depending on who's doing the
> buying, will have an easy and affordable path to something "better."  If
> you start them out on a Stradivarius, then you're on the hook for a
> Thein (and the accompanying mortgage) by the 10th grade. To stretch the
> car analogy too far, this would be their 2nd-3rd-4th gear horn.
>
> 6. Assuming you upgrade along the way, your kid will have a beater to
> play in marching band while using better horn for concert work.  If you
> start on a Strad, then guess what goes onto the field and into the
> stands?
>
> 7. Please stay away from cheap Chinese crap, known as ISO's in the biz
> (Instru
ment Shaped Objects). If it sounds too good to be true, it is.
> You're not doing your kid any favors by buying the cheapest thing out
> there. Stick with King, Yamaha, Conn, Jupiter, Eastman, Bach and the
> other standard brands. Besides, why support the "kids making things for
> kids" and the "trash the environment" movements when there are so many
> other excellent options?
>
> --Chuck
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: billredgate at comcast.net
> To: Price Taylor <pricetaylor at comcast.net>
> Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 17:12:49 +0000 (UTC)
> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Trombone for new elementary school player
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Price Taylor
>
>
> I'm looking for recommendations for a beginner's trombone -
>
>
> Mr Taylor;
>
>             You can't beat the Kanstul KSL750.  I use one for my lead horn
> because I like it so much.  Definitely the best student horn I have ever
> seen. I went to Kanstul to play the Williams copy he was working on at the
> time - and came away with this Student horn!  It's that good.  They admitted
> to me that most of the big name bone dudes in LA always gravitate towards
> that horn - over thier "top fo the line".  It's american made - something
> you may not value but all folks using american currency should.  But best of
> all - it's very price competitive - or at least it was a few years ago when
> I bought mine.  You can't go wrong!
>
>
> Bill Redgate
> Atlanta Georgia
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Adrian Drover" <slide.rule at adiosmusic.com>
> To: <thetubameister at roadrunner.com>, "'Price Taylor'" <
> pricetaylor at comcast.net>, <bjmchaffie at aol.com>
> Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 17:56:53 -0000
> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Trombone for new elementary school player
>
>
> > From: Behalf Of thetubameister at roadrunner.com
> >
> > Yamaha makes a brilliant instrument in Bb with an ascending valve to C.
> Sure, low E is gone,
> > and perhaps F is unreachable, but C and B _are_ and that's what it's
> built
> to do.  Seams like
> > a
 great (if expensive) idea.
>
>
> I've been wondering why a bass 'bone version of this instrument has not
> been
> made.   Add the F tubing and it would be fully chromatic down to pedal D (I
> think) which is more than enough for most purposes, the advantage being
> that
> low C and Bnat can be played as pedals, so less stuffy, and the instrument
> would be a little less heavy to hold.  Of course, there is the danger you
> might forget and go off the end of the shorter slide.
>
> A.
>
>
>
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