[Trombone-l] Trombone for new elementary - Now Bass Trb in C-Bb?

[Ray Horton]

Thanks for the info, Tom. 


I would be 99 & 44/100 % certain that the F valve would be too flat for 
a G on the C trombone.   Maybe a Gb, or near, which could be a 
consolation for the bass trombonist moving to our theoretical C/Bb/F 
bass from a Bb/Gb/F, and  who misses those 5th positions in first 
("American in Paris" is _so_ easy now!). 


My head hurts again. 


RBH


Tom Izzo wrote:
> Hi all,
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> To avoid any confusion here......
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> The Yamaha Bb/C Tenor, like other brands' "Preacher Trombones" as they are called, the slide part is the same length as on any Bb Tenor. The shortening is achieved through the Gooseneck.
> If you added a Quart Valve (as an F is to a Bb instrument), with the "C" engaged, you'd have, in effect, a C/G Tenor, w/o the valve engaged, a Bb/F instrument. Though truth be told, I've never seen a Bb/C Tenor with the added Quart valve, just a "straight" Bb/C Tenor.
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> Just so you know (and Adrian doesn't get too confused) :-) [sorry, A]
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> Tom
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> --- On Wed, 3/4/09, Ray Horton <rayhorton at insightbb.com> wrote:
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>> From: Ray Horton <rayhorton at insightbb.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Trombone for new elementary - Now Bass Trb in C-Bb?
>> To: "Adrian Drover" <slide.rule at adiosmusic.com>, thetubameister at roadrunner.com, trombone-l at samford.edu
>> Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 12:23 PM
>> Adrian, you're making my head
>> explode.
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>> So, would this be C/Bb/F but defaults to Bb? 
>> Crazy!  
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>> Right off the bat, I'm guessing it might sound bright, but,
>> who knows?
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>>
>> Hang on - the shorter slide wouldn't be long enough for a
>> low Db with 
>> the F valve.   We need that note!
>>
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>> If the bell section were shortened, could the horn be made
>> in C with a 
>> slide with 6 or 7 full Bb positions? Probably hard to do,
>> with two 
>> independent valves on it.
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>> Either that or it needs a third valve! 
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>>
>> Oh, my head!
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>>
>> RBH
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>>  >>From: thetubameister at roadrunner.com
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>>>> Yamaha makes a brilliant instrument in Bb with an
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>> ascending valve to C.
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>>>> Sure, low E is gone, and perhaps F is
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>> unreachable,  but C and B _are_, and
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>>> that's what it's built to do.  Seams like a great
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>> (if expensive) idea
>> Adrian Drover wrote:
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>>> I've been wondering why a bass 'bone version of this
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>> instrument has not been
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>>> made.   Add the F tubing and it would
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>> be fully chromatic down to pedal D (I
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>>> think) which is more than enough for most purposes,
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>> the advantage being that
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>>> low C and Bnat can be played as pedals, so less
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>> stuffy, and the instrument
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>>> would be a little less heavy to hold.  Of course,
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>> there is the danger you
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>>> might forget and go off the end of the shorter slide.
>>>
>>> A.
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