[Trombone-l] Baritone question

[Josh Kane]

I play a 5G on both horns.

www.myspace.com/4tubas is my Tuba/Euph quartet. I'm the first Euph parts

www.myspace.com/ritrombone is trombone stuff. Same mouthpieces, tell  
me what you guys think.

Josh


> Problem for many, indeed.  But I was speaking of my YEP-321 euph and  
> my YBH-301... defintely a [British] baritone, and definitely  
> conical... very.
>
> I use a 12c on my Baritone, and a Perantucci 2A on my euph.  Neither  
> works for me on trombone.
>
> J.c.S. (who uses his baritone for Hindemith and Mahler :-)
>
> ---- jscot at ucalgary.ca wrote:
>>> There is a problem of terminology here. Depending on what part of  
>>> the
>> world you're from, a baritone and euphonium can either be different
>> instruments, or different names for the same instrument.
>>
>> I grew up in a brass band background, and think of these as two  
>> separate
>> instruments - the British tradition (where the baritone is a  
>> smaller bore,
>> and more cylindrical than the euphonium). I own one of each.  
>> However, when
>> I was in high school, I heard those terms being applied with equal
>> frequency to any manner of valve instruments. Many American  
>> instruments
>> from the early 20th century would split the difference in bore and
>> percentage of conical/cylindrical from the description below. Add  
>> to that,
>> the various rotary valve versions from Germany, Austria and  
>> Switzerland.
>> These instruments vary greatly in both measurements.
>>
>> Many players would choose to play major orchestral solos like the  
>> Mahler
>> 7th and the Shostakovitch - Age of Gold on a modern large bore  
>> euphonium,
>> while others take the composers' designation of B flat Tenor Horn  
>> as an
>> indication for the smaller British baritone. Even this designation  
>> brings
>> more confusion, since in Britain, the Tenor Horn is an E flat  
>> instrument
>> that in North America is usually called the Alto Horn.
>>
>> The problem is that there are a lot of instruments out there that are
>> somewhat conical and have valves, and several names for them that  
>> have
>> been used interchangably. Good luck sorting it all out.
>>
>> Jim Scott
>>
>>
>>
>> Hm.  My Baritone is as much conical as my euph.  Only the valves are
>>> cylindrical.
>>>
>>> My trombone, however, is almost 2/3 cylindrical.  Almost. Where'd  
>>> you find
>>> a 2/3 conical "baritone"?
>>>
>>> J.c.S.
>>>
>>> ---- Josh Kane <JKBone5723 at cox.net> wrote:
>>>> To answer your questions.
>>>>
>>>> 1. Yes.
>>>> 2. I try to use the same mouthpiece on both horns. Baritones and
>>>> Euphoniums ARE different. Baritones are 2/3 cylindrical and 1/3
>>>> conical, and euphoniums are 2/3 conical and 1/3 cylindrical. Most  
>>>> pro
>>>> euphoniums are large bore unless is a Willson, or some Bessons,  
>>>> they
>>>> have medium bore (euorpean). Marching baritones are either small  
>>>> bore
>>>> or large bores. Marching Euphoniums are large bores. But yes,  
>>>> wether
>>>> it's large bore or small bore, it's interchangable with trombone.
>>>>
>>>> Josh Kane
>>>> Trombone/Euphonium
>>>> Providence, RI
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 20, 2009, at 3:35 PM, horns at easeandluxury.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I apologize for a non-trombone post, but I thought there might be
>>>>> enough crossover that people on the list might have answers (and
>>>>> haven't found a better forum).
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) Is the fingering for the marching baritone the same as for the
>>>>> regular baritone? As seen here:
>>>>> http://www.veritas-online.com/edarchive/Euphonium.pdf (e.g., the  
>>>>> Bb
>>>> at
>>>>> the bottom of the bass clef is open)
>>>>>
>>>>> 2) I've seen differing statements about mouthpiece sizes. Do
>>>> baritones
>>>>> (either sort) use small-shank mouthpieces, such as 12C?
>>>>> If so, then it would be interchangable with trombone?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>
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