[Trombone-l] Baritone question

Tue Jan 20 22:39:12 CST 2009

Problem for many, indeed.  But I was speaking of my YEP-321 euph and my YBH-301... defintely a [British] baritone, and definitely conical... very.

I use a 12c on my Baritone, and a Perantucci 2A on my euph.  Neither works for me on trombone.

J.c.S. (who uses his baritone for Hindemith and Mahler :-)

---- jscot at ucalgary.ca wrote: 
> >There is a problem of terminology here. Depending on what part of the
> world you're from, a baritone and euphonium can either be different
> instruments, or different names for the same instrument.
> 
> I grew up in a brass band background, and think of these as two separate
> instruments - the British tradition (where the baritone is a smaller bore,
> and more cylindrical than the euphonium). I own one of each. However, when
> I was in high school, I heard those terms being applied with equal
> frequency to any manner of valve instruments. Many American instruments
> from the early 20th century would split the difference in bore and
> percentage of conical/cylindrical from the description below. Add to that,
> the various rotary valve versions from Germany, Austria and Switzerland.
> These instruments vary greatly in both measurements.
> 
> Many players would choose to play major orchestral solos like the Mahler
> 7th and the Shostakovitch - Age of Gold on a modern large bore euphonium,
> while others take the composers' designation of B flat Tenor Horn as an
> indication for the smaller British baritone. Even this designation brings
> more confusion, since in Britain, the Tenor Horn is an E flat instrument
> that in North America is usually called the Alto Horn.
> 
> The problem is that there are a lot of instruments out there that are
> somewhat conical and have valves, and several names for them that have
> been used interchangably. Good luck sorting it all out.
> 
> Jim Scott
> 
> 
> 
>  Hm.  My Baritone is as much conical as my euph.  Only the valves are
> > cylindrical.
> >
> > My trombone, however, is almost 2/3 cylindrical.  Almost. Where'd you find
> > a 2/3 conical "baritone"?
> >
> > J.c.S.
> >
> > ---- Josh Kane <JKBone5723 at cox.net> wrote:
> >> To answer your questions.
> >>
> >> 1. Yes.
> >> 2. I try to use the same mouthpiece on both horns. Baritones and
> >> Euphoniums ARE different. Baritones are 2/3 cylindrical and 1/3
> >> conical, and euphoniums are 2/3 conical and 1/3 cylindrical. Most pro
> >> euphoniums are large bore unless is a Willson, or some Bessons, they
> >> have medium bore (euorpean). Marching baritones are either small bore
> >> or large bores. Marching Euphoniums are large bores. But yes, wether
> >> it's large bore or small bore, it's interchangable with trombone.
> >>
> >> Josh Kane
> >> Trombone/Euphonium
> >> Providence, RI
> >>
> >> On Jan 20, 2009, at 3:35 PM, horns at easeandluxury.com wrote:
> >>
> >> > I apologize for a non-trombone post, but I thought there might be
> >> > enough crossover that people on the list might have answers (and
> >> > haven't found a better forum).
> >> >
> >> > 1) Is the fingering for the marching baritone the same as for the
> >> > regular baritone? As seen here:
> >> > http://www.veritas-online.com/edarchive/Euphonium.pdf (e.g., the Bb
> >> at
> >> > the bottom of the bass clef is open)
> >> >
> >> > 2) I've seen differing statements about mouthpiece sizes. Do
> >> baritones
> >> > (either sort) use small-shank mouthpieces, such as 12C?
> >> > If so, then it would be interchangable with trombone?
> >> >
> >> > Thanks!
> >> >
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