[Trombone-l] Euphonium/Bass Bone Double

[Larry White]

The newer trombones - by that I mean probably since the mid 70's, the Bass 
Trombones have usually been made with a large shank mouthpiece.
eg. I had an original Boosey Hawkes Besson Bass Trombone that I purchased 
brand new in 77 that used the large shank m p (Denis Wick Bass Bone 
mouthpiece, which he had much input into the trombones for Besson trombones. 
My instrument was the Soveriegn - which I paid $900.00 for -
A wonderful instrument that sadly was stolen out of the trunk of my car in a 
"secure underground garage" at our Condo Hi Rise!
However, my old G Boosey & Hawkes Imperial used the small shank which was 
the same as the Imperial Euphoniums that were quite often used in British 
Brass bands back then.
I had lost the mouthpiece for my G Trom thus they gave me a Euphonium (small 
shank) mouthpiece Denis Wick mouthpiece to use.
The 'newer' Euphoniums which are also large bore as well as large shank are 
similar to the Bass Trom mouthpieces. Samples of the instruments would be 
the new York Instruments, Bessons, Willson Euphoniums etc.
I mainly refer to Brass Bands so sorry I can not talk for people who play in 
concert / wind bands or Symphony Orchestras.
Bb in Bass Clef on a Euphonium is open - no fingering on valves - and Bb on 
a Bass clef trombone is the first position.
In treble clef - C is open on the Euphonium and the first position on a 
trombone. (This is middle C as well as the upper C - (first ledger line and 
the third space!)
Yamaha makes a good Euph as well as the models I mentioned above. Since the 
failure of Besson in Britain they have been taken over a the large French 
company whose name unfortunately escapes me at the present time.
It is sometimes referred to a Senior's moment!
Hope this bit of ramble is of assistance.
L J

-- Original Message ----- 
From: "Galen Zinn" <grzinn at astound.net>
To: <Trombone-l at samford.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 1:27 PM
Subject: [Trombone-l] Euphonium/Bass Bone Double


I have a fair amount of experience playing a good Shires bass trombone. I¹m
wondering about the possibility of doubling on euphonium. Is there a
particular euphonium that would be chromatically equal to an inline
Gb/Bb/F/D bass trombone?

Could I use a Doug Yeo Signature Yamaha bass trombone mouthpiece on the
euphonium?

I¹m looking for any information I can find that will help me accomplish a
bass bone/euphonium double. Basically I¹m wondering if it is mostly just a
matter of swapping the bass bone slide positions for valve fingerings to do
the euphonium double.

Any recommendations for a particular euphonium brand that could be
considered equal to or better than a Shires bass bone would be appreciated.

What about intonation problems?

Check out: http://www.richmatteson.com/philos.html, as an outstanding
example of a former jazz euphoniumist.

Galen Zinn
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