[Trombone-l] Dvorak Symphony No. 9 (NWS)

[Tom Izzo]

Good points & ideas all.

Maybe it's time Howard Weiner chimes in. Howard, any ideas?

Tom




--- On Fri, 11/21/08, Ray Horton <rayhorton at insightbb.com> wrote:

> From: Ray Horton <rayhorton at insightbb.com>
> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Dvorak Symphony No. 9 (NWS)
> To: modelerdc at aim.com
> Cc: contrabasstrombone at yahoo.com, trombone-l at server5.samford.edu, bassboneage at gmail.com
> Date: Friday, November 21, 2008, 10:47 PM
> Wow!  And good point.  I was thinking of the valve trombones
> used in Dvorak's home area at the time (according to Ken
> Shifrin, 2 tenors and a four-valve bass in Bb), not what was
> played in "the new world" for whom it was written.
>  It never would have occurred to me that the NY Phil would
> be using valve trombones then! 
> 
> The only way a three-valved trombone three could get the
> low notes is falset notes - I have no idea how if they would
> work on a valve trombone of that era. 
> 
> BTW, the orig MS shows some higher notes for trbs 1 & 2
> that were omitted in the first publication , as I recall
> they appear to be crudely erased.  The unison lick for trbs
> 1 & 2 at the end of the first movement goes up to a high
> C.
> 
> 
> RBH
> 
> modelerdc at aim.com wrote:
> > I remember seein a photo of the NY phil from around
> 1900 or so. Sorry can't remember source or year, but I
> was struck by the fact that the trombone players were using
> trombones with 3 piston valves and appeared to be in B flat.
> After having played many Dvorak pieces in the orchestra that
> use no tuba but use the normal 3 bones, I've wondered if
> the tuba part in the new world exists becuase that may have
> been the only way to have it heard in 19th century America.
> > David Carter
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ray Horton <rayhorton at insightbb.com>
> > To: contrabasstrombone at yahoo.com
> > Cc: T- List <trombone-l at server5.samford.edu>;
> Richard Lee <bassboneage at gmail.com>
> > Sent: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 7:20 pm
> > Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Dvorak Symphony No. 9 (NWS)
> > 
> > My assumption has always been that Dvorak wrote the
> symphony with no   tuba, but that the small bore valved bass
> trombone in Bb he wrote for   didn't have the sonority
> for the chorale passages, so he added the tuba   double. 
> Don't have any evidence, though.       RBH      Tom Izzo
> wrote:  > Richard,  >  > Yes, the Tuba ONLY plays
> the opening & closing chords of the second mov't. It
>   is in unison with the Bass Trb & the 2nd Bassoon.
> Dvorak ovbiously wanted the   Tuba's timbre in those
> chords, but I feel sorry for the poor guy who only gets   to
> play those 14 bars on the whole concert.  > That's
> ALL the Tuba plays in the complete "New World
> Symphony".  >  > Tom  >  >  > Tom Izzo 
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> Richard Lee <bassboneage at gmail.com
> <mailto:bassboneage at gmail.com>> wrote:  >  > 
>    >> From: Richard Lee <bassboneage at gmail.com
> <mailto:bassboneage at gmail.com>>  >> Subject:
> [Trombone-l] Dvorak Symphony No. 9 (NWS)  >> To:
> trombone-l at samford.edu <mailto:trombone-l at samford.edu>
>  >> Date: Friday, November 21, 2008, 12:45 PM 
> >> I'm performing this piece with a local
> orchestra.  The  >> publisher has the   >> bass
> trombone and tuba on the same part.  If I'm  >>
> reading the
> >  part   >> correctly, then the tuba only plays
> on 
> > the second movement,  >> and the rest   >>
> is bass trombone, but it's a little ambiguous.  Not 
> >> that I have any   >> problem with the tuba
> playing in unison, but it just sounds  >> weird from  
> >> what I am used to hearing.  What do you guys think?
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