[Trombone-l] Dvorak Symphony No. 9 (NWS)

[Ray Horton]

Wow!  And good point.  I was thinking of the valve trombones used in 
Dvorak's home area at the time (according to Ken Shifrin, 2 tenors and a 
four-valve bass in Bb), not what was played in "the new world" for whom 
it was written.  It never would have occurred to me that the NY Phil 
would be using valve trombones then! 


The only way a three-valved trombone three could get the low notes is 
falset notes - I have no idea how if they would work on a valve trombone 
of that era. 


BTW, the orig MS shows some higher notes for trbs 1 & 2 that were 
omitted in the first publication , as I recall they appear to be crudely 
erased.  The unison lick for trbs 1 & 2 at the end of the first movement 
goes up to a high C.


RBH
 
modelerdc at aim.com wrote:
> I remember seein a photo of the NY phil from around 1900 or so. Sorry 
> can't remember source or year, but I was struck by the fact that the 
> trombone players were using trombones with 3 piston valves and 
> appeared to be in B flat. After having played many Dvorak pieces in 
> the orchestra that use no tuba but use the normal 3 bones, I've 
> wondered if the tuba part in the new world exists becuase that may 
> have been the only way to have it heard in 19th century America.
> David Carter
>
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> From: Ray Horton <rayhorton at insightbb.com>
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> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Dvorak Symphony No. 9 (NWS)
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> My assumption has always been that Dvorak wrote the symphony with no   tuba, but that the small bore valved bass trombone in Bb he wrote for   didn't have the sonority for the chorale passages, so he added the tuba   double.  Don't have any evidence, though.       RBH      Tom Izzo wrote:  > Richard,  >  > Yes, the Tuba ONLY plays the opening & closing chords of the second mov't. It   is in unison with the Bass Trb & the 2nd Bassoon. Dvorak ovbiously wanted the   Tuba's timbre in those chords, but I feel sorry for the poor guy who only gets   to play those 14 bars on the whole concert.  > That's ALL the Tuba plays in the complete "New World Symphony".  >  > Tom  >  >  > Tom Izzo  > Principal Trombonist, Bristol Renaissance Faire;  >
>  Bass Trombonist, West Suburban Symphony Orchestra;  > Founding Director, The Naperville Area Trombone Ensemble;  > Alto/Tenor/Bass/Contrabass Trombones, Tubas, Euphonium, Bass Trumpet, Electric   Bass, Timpani & Percussion.  > http://www.Geocities.com/Vienna/Studio/7875/ <http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/Studio/7875/>  > (630) 765-0154  >  >  > --- On Fri, 11/21/08, Richard Lee <bassboneage at gmail.com <mailto:bassboneage at gmail.com>> wrote:  >  >     >> From: Richard Lee <bassboneage at gmail.com <mailto:bassboneage at gmail.com>>  >> Subject: [Trombone-l] Dvorak Symphony No. 9 (NWS)  >> To: trombone-l at samford.edu <mailto:trombone-l at samford.edu>  >> Date: Friday, November 21, 2008, 12:45 PM  >> I'm performing this piece with a local orchestra.  The  >> publisher has the   >> bass trombone and tuba on the same part.  If I'm  >> reading the
>  part   >> correctly, then the tuba only plays on 
>
> the second movement,  >> and the rest   >> is bass trombone, but it's a little ambiguous.  Not  >> that I have any   >> problem with the tuba playing in unison, but it just sounds  >> weird from   >> what I am used to hearing.  What do you guys think?   >> _______________________________________________  >> Trombone-l mailing list  >> Trombone-l at samford.edu <mailto:Trombone-l at samford.edu>  >> http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l  >>       >  >  >         > _______________________________________________  > Trombone-l mailing list  > Trombone-l at samford.edu <mailto:Trombone-l at samford.edu>  > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l  >  >  >
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