[Trombone-l] Slide vibrato - Mahler 3

[John Burton]

Perhaps a silly aside, but don't string players "tremble" ALL THE TIME?  Regardless if it's classical or jazz, pop or pops...

Not that I consider myself a brass cello, but consider that strings do that all the time, and usually (IMNSHO) excessively.

We've beat this horse to death before, but vibrato, especially slide vibrato can be very useful as an expression. Sometimes a slow slide vibrato will bring that *snap* to an expressive piece that nothing else can.  And who would argue with Tommy Dorsey's fast slide vibrato in "Song of India"...

I'm just saying...

(Back to my hidey hole)...

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john burton
Bach 50B3 Bass Trombone
Kanawha Valley Community Band / Slide-by-Slide
South Charleston, West Virginia

-----Original Message-----
From: trombone-l-bounces at samford.edu [mailto:trombone-l-bounces at samford.edu] On Behalf Of Ray Horton
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 3:00 PM
To: Howard Spindel
Cc: trombone-l at server5.samford.edu
Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Slide vibrato - Mahler 3

I have not been clear.  I have no complaint with his playing, slide 
vibrato and all. I like it. 


The fact that it got complaints and even ridicule here and on youtube 
(it was posted here with the comment "Slide vibrato - Mahler 3: Its the 
orchestra of La Scala, so maybe he thought of the solo as an operatic 
aria.") prompted my comments that slide vibrato in classical musical 
calls attention to itself - perhaps undue attention to itself. 


RBH


Howard Spindel wrote:
> That's really a small amount of slide vibrato.  YouTube sound isn't 
> the greatest, but he sounds good to me.  Is it results that count, or 
> do we downgrade guys if we consider their technique unusual?
>
> I'd be happy with that kind of result (if I could do it) no matter 
> what technique I used!
>
> Another interesting point:  he plays it on a straight horn.  The low 
> B naturals are a lot easier for me on an F-attachment.
>
> Howard
>
> At 08:14 PM 11/19/2008, Ray Horton wrote:
>   
>> This is opening up an ancient thread.  I didn't get a chance to listen
>> to when it was first posted and just happened across the link.
>>
>> 1st trombonist of La Scala using some (a small amount of) slide vibrato
>> on the Mahler 3rd solo:
>>
>> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUUFi0nhv3w>
>>
>>
>> Some guys here didn't like it, some did.
>>
>>
>> Reinforces what I tell my students:  Slide vibrato, wholly 
>> appropriate in jazz and pop, calls attention to itself in serious 
>> playing.  The guy sounds great, but gets complaints, here and in the 
>> youtube comments.  If he did the same amount, or even more, of 
>> jaw/lip/airstream vibrato, no complaints.
>>
>>
>> Raymond Horton
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Jim Nova wrote:
>>     
>>> I'm fairly certain that's Torsten Edvar playing the solo. He's a fellow
>>> Curtis Graduate and student of the late, great Glenn Dodson (former
>>> principal of Philly Orchestra and one of Joe Alessi's teachers). When I
>>> studied with Dodson at Curtis he sometimes suggested a little 
>>>       
>> slide vibrato
>>     
>>> to warm up the sound on certain passages. If you weren't watching 
>>>       
>> the video
>>     
>>> and just listening, I think you'd barely notice the vibrato. I think he
>>> sounds fantastic!
>>>
>>> Jim Nova
>>> Assistant Principal Trombone-Utah Symphony
>>> Principal Trombone-Boston Pops Esplanade Orchestra
>>> jim at jimnova.com
>>> www.jimnova.com
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: <jgreen at gol.com>
>>> To: <trombone-l at server5.samford.edu>
>>> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 6:41 AM
>>> Subject: [Trombone-l] Slide vibrato - Mahler 3
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>>>> Slide vibrato - Mahler 3:
>>>> Its the orchestra of La Scala, so maybe he thought of the solo as an
>>>> operatic aria.
>>>> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUUFi0nhv3w>
>>>>
>>>> ~~~
>>>> ~~~
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