[Trombone-l] Slide vibrato - Mahler 3

[Jeff Albert]

I didn't mean to fire shots at the messenger, just to poke fun at the
things our language reveals unintentionally.  I'm probably a little
hypersensitive on that front these days anyway.

You make my real point though, when you say that he would be fine
behind a screen, but if some people SAW the vibrato, there would be
issues with it.  Too often we let the dogma override our ears.  The
world will be a better place when we can all listen first.

And anyway, no matter how he did the vibrato, it is SO subtle you can
hardly tell it is there.

Jeff

On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 11:02 PM, Ray Horton <rayhorton at insightbb.com> wrote:
> Don't shoot the messenger, man.
>
>
> OK, change serious to classical in my earlier post, but I stand by it.
>
> The guy in the clip would do fine in any audition, behind a screen,  No
> screen, he might have a bit of trouble.
>
>
> RBH
>
>
> Jeff Albert wrote:
>>
>> Or if he was playing something less "serious" he would get no complaints.
>>  ;)
>>
>> I am finding an awful lot of stylistic dogma in the academic/classical
>> scenes.  I don't know that it is artistically healthy.  It might win
>> auditions and get good grades on juries, but...at what cost?
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 10:14 PM, Ray Horton <rayhorton at insightbb.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> This is opening up an ancient thread.  I didn't get a chance to listen
>>> to when it was first posted and just happened across the link.
>>>
>>> 1st trombonist of La Scala using some (a small amount of) slide vibrato
>>> on the Mahler 3rd solo:
>>>
>>> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUUFi0nhv3w>
>>>
>>>
>>> Some guys here didn't like it, some did.
>>>
>>>
>>> Reinforces what I tell my students:  Slide vibrato, wholly appropriate in
>>> jazz and pop, calls attention to itself in serious playing.  The guy sounds
>>> great, but gets complaints, here and in the youtube comments.  If he did the
>>> same amount, or even more, of jaw/lip/airstream vibrato, no complaints.
>>>
>>>
>>> Raymond Horton
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jim Nova wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm fairly certain that's Torsten Edvar playing the solo. He's a fellow
>>>> Curtis Graduate and student of the late, great Glenn Dodson (former
>>>> principal of Philly Orchestra and one of Joe Alessi's teachers). When I
>>>> studied with Dodson at Curtis he sometimes suggested a little slide
>>>> vibrato
>>>> to warm up the sound on certain passages. If you weren't watching the
>>>> video
>>>> and just listening, I think you'd barely notice the vibrato. I think he
>>>> sounds fantastic!
>>>>
>>>> Jim Nova
>>>> Assistant Principal Trombone-Utah Symphony
>>>> Principal Trombone-Boston Pops Esplanade Orchestra
>>>> jim at jimnova.com
>>>> www.jimnova.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: <jgreen at gol.com>
>>>> To: <trombone-l at server5.samford.edu>
>>>> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 6:41 AM
>>>> Subject: [Trombone-l] Slide vibrato - Mahler 3
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Slide vibrato - Mahler 3:
>>>>> Its the orchestra of La Scala, so maybe he thought of the solo as an
>>>>> operatic aria.
>>>>> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUUFi0nhv3w>
>>>>>
>>>>> ~~~
>>>>> ~~~
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