[Trombone-l] Music for tenor and bass trombone and piano

Wed Nov 5 09:58:53 CST 2008

 The "out of their heads" could also be stated as "by ear".  This is a
skill I've just not been able to get my arms around, and would be
eternally appreciative if I could break that code.

Modulation? I have several books that help with that, but the alternate
chording .. ARGH... I'm lost for the hows...

Thanks!

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john burton
Bach 50B3 Bass Trombone
Kanawha Valley Community Band / Slide-by-Slide
South Charleston, West Virginia

-----Original Message-----
From: Fred Hudson [mailto:fmhudson at cablelynx.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 12:16 PM
To: John Burton; trombone-l at samford.edu
Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Music for tenor and bass trombone and piano

John,

The only accompaniment hymnal with which I am familiar is the Episcopal
one which is very "richly" scored for organ and arranged to be equally
useful for piano by ignoring the pedal staff. There are no alternate
chordings or modulations although there are many hymns - particularly in
the service music section - with descants, and a number of hymns have
alternate tunes. 
There are a few notations with suggested stops but by and large the
voicing is left up to the organist. These factors provide some
interesting opportunities for trombone - organ arrangements.

Our organist is triply handicapped in that he is not a trombonist
(*grin*); he has been totally blind since the age of four (surgical
removal due to cancer); and our organ is a 100 year old tracker organ
with only 10 stops. 
Nevertheless he is adept at modulating into alternate keys and or
chording though not as stridently as our previous organist who deserted
us for a newer more versatile organ at the Presbyterian church. *grin*

BTW, don't let your comments about organists improvising "out of their
heads" get to any "Organ Lists". I have found that, with some exceptions
such as our present organist, that as a group organists have even bigger
egos than orchestra conductors or even trumpet players!
*great big grin*

Fred H

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Burton" <John.Burton at JohnBurton.org>
To: <trombone-l at samford.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 8:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Music for tenor and bass trombone and piano

> This brings up a question I've tried to "break the code" on from time
to
> time.  I'd really like to find the "accompaniment" hymnal that
includes
> alternate chording and perhaps a modulation for hymns in the hymnal.
I
> hear organists playing these things, and during my last trip to NYC I
> found pianists doing the same thing.
>
> I find it so difficult to believe that non-trombonists would do this
> just out of their head (OK, so that's a bit of a shot, but you get my
> drift).
>
> Do the accompaniment hymnals you speak of have these features?
>
> Thanks!
>
>
> ~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=
>
> john burton
> Bach 50B3 Bass Trombone
> Kanawha Valley Community Band / Slide-by-Slide
> South Charleston, West Virginia
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: trombone-l-bounces at samford.edu
> [mailto:trombone-l-bounces at samford.edu] On Behalf Of Fred Hudson
> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 12:43 AM
> To: Gabriel Langfur; Ray Horton
> Cc: Bone List
> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Music for tenor and bass trombone and piano
>
> Gabe,
>
> If it happens to be an Episcopal or Anglican Church and you expect to
be
> playing from a hymnal there are a number of hymn tunes written or
> arranged by Vaughan Williams. one of them, the hymn tune "The Call",
was
> recorded
> (solo) by Doug Yeo with piano accompaniment in the Nick Hudson - Doug
> Yeo album "Two of a Mind". I have done several of them in church on
> tenor with organ. The hymn tune "Sine Nomine" would be particulary
good
> for tenor and bass (IMHO). You would need to get hold of the
> accompaniment edition of the hymnal to develop your arrangements as
the
> pew edition, more often than not, only has the melody line.
>
> Fred H
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gabriel Langfur" <glangfur at yahoo.com>
> To: "Ray Horton" <rayhorton at insightbb.com>
> Cc: "Bone List" <trombone-l at samford.edu>
> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 9:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Music for tenor and bass trombone and piano
>
>
>>
>> Not sure what kind of church exactly. Hymn tunes are covered - we'll
> play
>> from hymnals I'm sure. The first service is Nov. 23rd.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Ray Horton <rayhorton at insightbb.com>
>> To: Gabriel Langfur <glangfur at yahoo.com>
>> Cc: Bone List <trombone-l at samford.edu>
>> Sent: Monday, November 3, 2008 9:24:36 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Music for tenor and bass trombone and piano
>>
>> What kind of church?  Do you want hymn tunes or "classical" music?
> How
>> fast do you need it?
>>
>>
>> I might be able to help a little, depending on your schedule.
>>
>>
>> Raymond Horton
>> Minister of Music
>> Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church
>>
>>
>> Gabriel Langfur wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> A tenor trombone-playing friend and I have been hired to play a
> couple of
>>> church services with the pianist who is the music director of a
local
>
>>> church, and I have no idea what we should play. Does anyone know any
>>> original or borrowed (transcribed) music that would be good and fun
> to
>>> play?
>>>
>>> The pianist is excellent, and we're both strong players. He's one of
>>> Boston's very best freelancers, with a very strong low range, and I
> have
>>> a very good high register...for a bass trombone player ;). Meaning,
> we
>>> could play music that is not specifically for tenor and bass voices
> but
>>> for roughly equal voices.
>>>
>>> Thanks for any suggestions,
>>> Gabe
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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