[Trombone-l] Trombone-l Digest, Vol 42, Issue 24
Ray Horton
rayhorton at insightbb.com
Mon Jul 28 18:25:49 CDT 2008
Seriously, I had always, strictly on internal evidence, assumed it was a
cello piece because of the nice open low C's at the end.
Raymond Horton
dloucky at mtsu.edu wrote:
> I just HAVE to stick my neck out on the Weber. It makes PERFECT sense that the piece might have been originally written for something other than trombone, especially looking at the highly technical and low range of the introductory section. But why must we settle for bassoon, when even bassoonists have never heard of it? Just because it has the range to play these notes?
>
> Considering the dates suggested by Charles DePaolo's quote from Brasswind, perhaps, just perhaps, Weber was captivated by my favorite relic, the ophicleide, which had just come on the "scene" in 1817. The Romanza lies perfectly in a range for this instrument to be seriously considered. For those doubters, I offer a recording of this, available for the readership's...ahem...pleasure, at http://frank.mtsu.edu/~music/loucky.html
>
> No fair laughing until you hear it through.
>
> Cheers.
>
>
> David Loucky
> Professor of Trombone and Euphonium
> School of Music
> Middle Tennessee State University
>
>
> ---- Original message ----
>
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>> Today's Topics:
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>> 1. Re: Chinese bass trumpets? (Neeme wants to know)
>> (Eric & Candice Swanson)
>> 2. Origin of the so-called Weber Romanza? (Philip Brink)
>> 3. Ein Deutches Requiem (Marius Helg?)
>> 4. Re: Origin of the so-called Weber Romanza? (Howard Weiner)
>> 5. Re: Ein Deutches Requiem (Matthew Stoecker)
>> 6. Re: Ein Deutches Requiem (Adrian Drover)
>> 7. Re: Chinese bass trumpets? (Neeme wants to know) (John Burton)
>> 8. Re: Ein Deutches Requiem (Roger Hecht)
>> 9. Re: Chinese bass trumpets? (Neeme wants to know) (Walter Barrett)
>> 10. OTJ Classifieds Update - 7/28/08 (Chris Waage)
>> 11. Re: Ein Deutches Requiem (thetubameister at adelphia.net)
>> 12. Re: Origin of the so-called Weber Romanza? (Robert Holland)
>> 13. Re: Origin of the so-called Weber Romanza? (David Guion)
>> 14. Re: Origin of the so-called Weber Romanza? (Charles DePaolo)
>> 15. Re: Ein Deutches Requiem (Jeff Albert)
>> ________________
>> Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 22:22:32 -0500
>> From: Eric Candice Swanson <swan325 at earthlink.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Chinese bass trumpets? (Neeme wants to know)
>> To: Trombone List <trombone-l at server5.samford.edu>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 25, 2008, at 8:05 AM, George Butler wrote:
>>
>>
>>> ...I seem to recall Eric Swanson asking if the current
>>> batch of Chinese valved instruments are an improvement over those of
>>> the previous generation. Something about valve tolerances being
>>> tougher to get right than getting tubing for slides parallel.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Any suggestions on inexpensive bass trumpets? (Because, Neeme wants
>>> to know.)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> George,
>>
>> I never did get a definitive answer about the Chinese bass trumpets,
>> but I think somebody said they bought one and it was pretty good. I
>> would suggest buying one of the Selman brand and giving it a good
>> thorough trying out. Check for the fit of the tuning slides, valve
>> compression and action, and check the tuning with a tuner. If it
>> passes muster, then buy some more. Let us know what you think. I
>> would buy one myself, but I already have a decent American (Holton)
>> bass trumpet.
>>
>> Eric Swanson
>>
>> ________________
>> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:03:39 +0700
>> From: "Philip Brink" <basstrb3 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [Trombone-l] Origin of the so-called Weber Romanza?
>> To: "Trombone List" <trombone-l at server5.samford.edu>
>>
>> I have recently played the above piece and several of my students are
>> working on it [cause and effect? Maybe...], and this has given rise to
>> questions from students which I cannot answer. Is this by Weber, or by
>> someone posing as him for more sales? Whether it is by Weber or by someone
>> else, is it originally for trombone? Internal evidence suggests that it may
>> be for bassoon or cello but I don't know enough about Weber's output to
>> judge this, and Thailand is not the best place to begin such a search.
>>
>> Anyone who knows more about this piece and its origins, please let me [and
>> the list] know about the Romanza [Romance, Romanza Appassionata]...
>> inquiring minds want to know!
>>
>> Phil Brink
>>
>> ________________
>> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:31:17 +0200
>> From: Marius Helgå <Marius.Helga at nb.no>
>> Subject: [Trombone-l] Ein Deutches Requiem
>> To: "Bone List" <trombone-l at samford.edu>
>>
>> Hi all
>>
>> Just got a phone request to play Brahms' Ein Deuthces Requiem in october.
>>
>> Of course I said yes, but now I turn to the list and ask: What am I facing on third trombone? Lots and lots of rest-counting, and a few notes in between, or do I get to actually do some playing?
>>
>> Marius Helgå
>> Bass trombone
>> Mo i Rana, Norway
>>
>>
>> ________________
>> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:38:32 +0200
>> From: Howard Weiner <h.weiner at online.de>
>> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Origin of the so-called Weber Romanza?
>> To: "Philip Brink" <basstrb3 at gmail.com>, "Trombone List" <trombone-l at server5.samford.edu>
>>
>> At 16:03 28.07.2008 +0700, Philip Brink wrote:
>>
>>> I have recently played the above piece and several of my students are
>>> working on it [cause and effect? Maybe...], and this has given rise to
>>> questions from students which I cannot answer. Is this by Weber, or by
>>> someone posing as him for more sales? Whether it is by Weber or by someone
>>> else, is it originally for trombone? Internal evidence suggests that it may
>>> be for bassoon or cello but I don't know enough about Weber's output to
>>> judge this, and Thailand is not the best place to begin such a search.
>>>
>>> Anyone who knows more about this piece and its origins, please let me [and
>>> the list] know about the Romanza [Romance, Romanza Appassionata]...
>>> inquiring minds want to know!
>>>
>> I looked into this question several years ago. The earliest edition I
>> could find was from ca. 1900 and for bassoon. The piece is not listed
>> in the thematic or any other catalogue of Weber's works. It is also
>> not found in any of the 19th-century catalogues of published music. I
>> doubt very much that it is by Weber, but have no idea who the
>> composer could be.
>>
>> Howard
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Howard Weiner
>> h.weiner at online.de
>> http://howard-weiner.de/
>>
>> Tosca jumped to a conclusion.
>>
>>
>> ________________
>> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 02:39:28 -0700
>> From: Matthew Stoecker <the_mighty_quinn at msn.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Ein Deutches Requiem
>> To: Marius Helgå <marius.helga at nb.no>, Bone List <trombone-l at samford.edu>
>>
>> In one movement you'll play a D for 42 measures straight. Other than that, it's pretty fun :)
>>
>> Matthew StoeckerQuinnTheEskimo Vintage Hornswww.quinntheeskimo.net
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:31:17 +0200> From: Marius.Helga at nb.no> To: trombone-l at samford.edu> Subject: [Trombone-l] Ein Deutches Requiem> > Hi all> > Just got a phone request to play Brahms' Ein Deuthces Requiem in october.> > Of course I said yes, but now I turn to the list and ask: What am I facing on third trombone? Lots and lots of rest-counting, and a few notes in between, or do I get to actually do some playing?> > Marius Helgå> Bass trombone> Mo i Rana, Norway> > _______________________________________________> Trombone-l mailing list> Trombone-l at samford.edu> http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l
>>>
>> ________________
>> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:05:23 +0100
>> From: "Adrian Drover" <slide at adios.co.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Ein Deutches Requiem
>> To: "'Matthew Stoecker'" <the_mighty_quinn at msn.com>, "'Marius Helgå'" <marius.helga at nb.no>, "'Bone List'" <trombone-l at samford.edu>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> From: Matthew Stoecker
>>>
>>> In one movement you'll play a D for 42 measures straight.
>>>
>> Shouldn't tale too long to learn the position.
>>
>> A.
>>
>>
>> ________________
>> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 06:29:08 -0400
>> From: "John Burton" <John.Burton at JohnBurton.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Chinese bass trumpets? (Neeme wants to know)
>> To: "Trombone List" <trombone-l at server5.samford.edu>
>>
>> "GreatTunesDirect" (http://myworld.ebay.com/greattunesdirect/) sells on
>> e-bay. I bought my Selman Alto from them, and they told me at that time
>> if there were technical issues (slide alignment etc) they'd "make it
>> right". There weren't so I can't vouch for their performance there.
>>
>> These guys are now selling a Bb Bass Trumpet w/rotary valves, ~$300 with
>> shipping. I don't have one, not sure my wife would allow an ADDITIONAL
>> instrument in the house!! (already have some six trombones, and one
>> trombone table in the works) but if the Selman Alto trombone is any
>> indication, their bass trumpet should be fine for those of us who play
>> for enjoyment. For professionals, it may be a step too low, but then
>> again..... Some knock-offs are nearly as good as the originals.
>>
>> Keep in mind that now we're talking about machined parts .. Rotors,
>> valves etc. Repair shops may not be equipped, or know what to do with
>> non-US instruments...
>>
>> My 2 cents flat for ya.
>>
>> Take good care...
>>
>> --==jb==--
>>
>> ~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=
>>
>> john burton
>> Bach 50B3 Bass Trombone
>> Kanawha Valley Community Band / Slide-by-Slide
>> South Charleston, West Virginia
>>
>>
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: trombone-l-bounces at samford.edu
>>> [mailto:trombone-l-bounces at samford.edu] On Behalf Of Eric &
>>> Candice Swanson
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 11:23 PM
>>> To: Trombone List
>>> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Chinese bass trumpets? (Neeme wants to know)
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 25, 2008, at 8:05 AM, George Butler wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> ...I seem to recall Eric Swanson asking if the current batch of
>>>> Chinese valved instruments are an improvement over those of the
>>>> previous generation. Something about valve tolerances
>>>>
>>> being tougher
>>>
>>>> to get right than getting tubing for slides parallel.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Any suggestions on inexpensive bass trumpets? (Because,
>>>>
>>> Neeme wants
>>>
>>>> to know.)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> George,
>>>
>>> I never did get a definitive answer about the Chinese bass
>>> trumpets, but I think somebody said they bought one and it
>>> was pretty good. I would suggest buying one of the Selman
>>> brand and giving it a good thorough trying out. Check for
>>> the fit of the tuning slides, valve compression and action,
>>> and check the tuning with a tuner. If it passes muster, then
>>> buy some more. Let us know what you think. I would buy one
>>> myself, but I already have a decent American (Holton) bass trumpet.
>>>
>>> Eric Swanson
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Trombone-l mailing list
>>> Trombone-l at samford.edu
>>> http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l
>>>
>>>
>> ________________
>> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 07:09:03 -0400
>> From: Roger Hecht <rihecht at earthlink.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Ein Deutches Requiem
>> To: Marius Helgå <Marius.Helga at nb.no>, "Bone List" <trombone-l at samford.edu>
>>
>> In some ways, the third part is the best of the
>> three, especially in the 6th movement.
>>
>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> Just got a phone request to play Brahms' Ein Deuthces Requiem in october.
>>>
>>> Of course I said yes, but now I turn to the list
>>> and ask: What am I facing on third trombone?
>>> Lots and lots of rest-counting, and a few notes
>>> in between, or do I get to actually do some playing?
>>>
>>> Marius Helgå
>>> Bass trombone
>>> Mo i Rana, Norway
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Trombone-l mailing list
>>> Trombone-l at samford.edu
>>> http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l
>>>
>> Roger Hecht
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________
>> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:12:38 -0400
>> From: Walter Barrett <walttrombone at optonline.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Chinese bass trumpets? (Neeme wants to know)
>> To: Trombone List <trombone-l at server5.samford.edu>
>>
>> With all due respect to Maestro Jarvi, but for the average player, it
>> becomes a matter of Return of Investment. First, there are only 11
>> pieces in all the repertoire that call for bass trumpet. I have gotten
>> to play my bass trumpet with an orchestra exactly twice in the past 35
>> years. The Maestro has probably conducted more performances of those
>> pieces than any of us could ever conceive of. Yes, they are important
>> parts, and they must be played well, but for the average player to
>> know the parts and own an instrument that will, in all likelihood,
>> never be used, is a bit unrealistic. Jarvi looks at it from the
>> viewpoint of a renowned conductor, jetting around the world, doing
>> lots of performances of these pieces all over the place. I look at it
>>
> >from the viewpoint of someone who has invested a lot of time and money
>
>> getting ready to play those parts, and has only performed them twice
>> in his lifetime. If he wants it to be part of the normal audition
>> process, then write it into the players contract that the job requires
>> doubling on bass trumpet, and pay the player more. Time to put Jarvi's
>> money where the mouth is.
>>
>> I would also entertain the notion of being on retainer as Maestro
>> Jarvi's personal bass trumpeter. I'll throw in tenor tuba for not too
>> much more.
>>
>> With all that said, I can refer you to this thread on the Trombone
>> Forum with a discussion of the JinBao bass trumpet, a copy of the
>> Josef Lidl. I believe the JinBao's are also sold with the Selman name.
>>
>> http://tromboneforum.org/index.php/topic,34169.msg464765.html#msg464765
>>
>>
>> On Jul 25, 2008, at 9:05 AM, George Butler wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Anyway, if you're still with me: Neeme wants to know, does this
>>> Chinese maker make a bass trumpet? Is there a Chinese version of
>>> the Dotzauer available?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Because," he continues, "bass trumpet very, very important in
>>> Wagner. And, 'Rite of Spring.' Very, very important.
>>> Very, very important. Young players MUST LEARN these important
>>> parts, because VERY, VERY important. Especially Wagner.
>>> Especially Stravinsky."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Now, you'd think that the New Jersey S.O., or the Residentie Orchestra
>>> in The Hague, or the New Japan Philharmonic, or the Detroit Symphony,
>>> or the Göteborg Symphony, or the Cincinnati S.O. would have the money
>>> to buy whatever they need. But, Maestro Neeme thinks it is VERY
>>> IMPORTANT for aspiring orchestral players to learn Wagner. And
>>> Stravinsky. "Very Important," he repeats. Should be a part
>>> of the audition process, so get your own horn, he thinks.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Now, I DO apologize if the answer to Neeme's question has been
>>> recently
>>> covered. I seem to recall Eric Swanson asking if the current
>>> batch of Chinese valved instruments are an improvement over those of
>>> the previous generation. Something about valve tolerances being
>>> tougher to get right than getting tubing for slides parallel.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Any suggestions on inexpensive bass trumpets? (Because, Neeme wants
>>> to know.)
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Walter Barrett
>>
>> "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away."
>> -Philip K. Dick
>>
>> Alto, tenor, bass trombones
>> Bass trumpet, euphonium, tuba
>> Yamaha Artist/Clinician
>> http://www.walterbarrett.com
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________
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>>
>>
>> ________________
>> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 7:40:59 -0700
>> From: <thetubameister at adelphia.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Ein Deutches Requiem
>> To: Marius Helgå <Marius.Helga at nb.no>
>> Cc: Bone List <trombone-l at samford.edu>
>>
>> Not a lot of rest counting, actually. Great piece, and some exposed playing, but it's not heroicly difficult. I actually used my G bass for this the last time, and it was perfectly playable on that monster too ("sized down" section, Alto, tenor, real bass bones...). If I can get around it on that... :-)
>>
>> J.c.
>>
>> ---- "Marius Helgå" <Marius.Helga at nb.no> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> Just got a phone request to play Brahms' Ein Deuthces Requiem in october.
>>>
>>> Of course I said yes, but now I turn to the list and ask: What am I facing on third trombone? Lots and lots of rest-counting, and a few notes in between, or do I get to actually do some playing?
>>>
>>> Marius Helgå
>>> Bass trombone
>>> Mo i Rana, Norway
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Trombone-l mailing list
>>> Trombone-l at samford.edu
>>> http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l
>>>
>>
>> ________________
>> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:59:58 -0500
>> From: Robert Holland <publisher at briarmusic.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Origin of the so-called Weber Romanza?
>> To: "Trb. List" <trombone-l at server5.samford.edu>
>>
>> Philip Brink wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I have recently played the above piece and several of my students are
>>> working on it [cause and effect? Maybe...], and this has given rise to
>>> questions from students which I cannot answer. Is this by Weber, or by
>>> someone posing as him for more sales? Whether it is by Weber or by
>>> someone
>>> else, is it originally for trombone? Internal evidence suggests that
>>> it may
>>> be for bassoon or cello but I don't know enough about Weber's output
>>> to
>>> judge this, and Thailand is not the best place to begin such a search.
>>>
>>> Anyone who knows more about this piece and its origins, please let
>>> me [and
>>> the list] know about the Romanza [Romance, Romanza Appassionata]...
>>> inquiring minds want to know!
>>>
>> I also looked into this, and as far as I know, it's never been
>> resolved. This and the Frescobaldi Toccata for 8 trombones are two
>> pieces in the trombone literature of most questionable origin and are
>> almost certainly not by with composer with whom they are usually
>> associated. Neither is in the style of those composers, and as Howard
>> Weiner points out, the tunes don't appear in the thematic catalogs.
>>
>> The misattributions were most likely done intentionally, as the
>> history of deceptive publishing practice extends back into the
>> Baroque. The most famous example in the 19th century was probably
>> Fritz Kreisler publishing under a pseudonym, but he eventually claimed
>> authorship of his tunes. Brahms also published under pseudonym at the
>> beginning of his career if I remember correctly.
>>
>> I remember a brief article from some journal that discussed the
>> Frescobaldi, which I provided to John Marcellus but didn't keep for
>> myself. I doubt it's even possible to establish authoritatively who
>> wrote the Romanza and the Toccata.
>>
>> Robert Holland, Publisher
>> Briar Music Press
>> publisher at briarmusic.com
>> http://www.briarmusic.com
>>
>>
>> ________________
>> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:23:03 -0400
>> From: "David Guion" <dmguion at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Origin of the so-called Weber Romanza?
>> To: "Robert Holland" <publisher at briarmusic.com>
>> Cc: "Trb. List" <trombone-l at server5.samford.edu>
>>
>> I have looked at some of the same places and come to the same conclusion: I
>> cannot have any confidence in the attribution to Weber or that the piece was
>> originally for trombone. Years ago I heard it on the radio, performed by
>> bassoon and orchestra. The announcer attributed it to Weber, for what little
>> that's worth. It seems to me to be especially well-written for bassoon, and
>> if it's even from Weber's generation, the original accompaniment would have
>> been for orchestra and not piano. Of course, we can't even be sure of that.
>> In any case, I have asked several bassoonists about it, and not a one has
>> recognized it.
>>
>> The edition I have is by P. X. Laube. IIRC, it came out in the 1930s. In any
>> case, he issued editions for lots of different instruments. It seems to me
>> that no one paid much attention until maybe 20 or 30 years ago. If
>> bassoonists don't generally recognize it, perhaps no one but trombonists
>> ever play it with any regularity.
>>
>> I will say that the only thematic catalog of Weber's works (unless something
>> has come out very recently) is quite old. Most other catalogs of that
>> vintage missed a lot of authentic pieces. If and when someone undertakes a
>> fresh catalog of Weber's works, it is just possible that the Romanza will
>> turn out to be authentic. I wouldn't hold my breath. As others have pointed
>> out, we will likely never know.
>>
>> David Guion
>>
>> ________________
>> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:22:42 -0400
>> From: "Charles DePaolo" <chuck at hickeys.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Origin of the so-called Weber Romanza?
>> To: "Trombone List" <trombone-l at samford.edu>
>>
>> This from the Brass Wind (a music publisher in the UK) website:
>>
>> Romance was probably written between 1811 and 1821, when Weber rested from opera, if indeed the piece is genuinely by Weber. There seems to be no hard evidence from any contemporary source that it is by him, but since it first appeared with Weber's name at the top around the beginning of the 20th century no other composer has been found to replace it. Trombonists of course are woefully lacking in works by the great classical and romantic composers, so they have never thought it worthwhile to abandon this piece, even if its origins are questionable.
>>
>> An urtext edition of this piece is impossible, so I have included what I consider to be the best features of several versions that have appeared over the years, plus some additional editorial changes. It is highly likely that the piece was originally written for bassoon, so some low music that is not possible on the tenor trombone, but appears in some editions, has been omitted. I am supported in this by the fact that the Bb/F trombone was not developed until after Weber's death. Similarly, one or two florid ornaments that might work well on the bassoon have been simplified, along with some extra dynamic and tempo markings.
>>
>> --Christopher Mowat
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Robert Holland
>> To: Trb. List
>> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 10:59 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Origin of the so-called Weber Romanza?
>>
>>
>> Philip Brink wrote:
>>
>> > I have recently played the above piece and several of my students are
>> > working on it [cause and effect? Maybe...], and this has given rise to
>> > questions from students which I cannot answer. Is this by Weber, or by
>> > someone posing as him for more sales? Whether it is by Weber or by
>> > someone
>> > else, is it originally for trombone? Internal evidence suggests that
>> > it may
>> > be for bassoon or cello but I don't know enough about Weber's output
>> > to
>> > judge this, and Thailand is not the best place to begin such a search.
>> >
>> > Anyone who knows more about this piece and its origins, please let
>> > me [and
>> > the list] know about the Romanza [Romance, Romanza Appassionata]...
>> > inquiring minds want to know!
>>
>> I also looked into this, and as far as I know, it's never been
>> resolved. This and the Frescobaldi Toccata for 8 trombones are two
>> pieces in the trombone literature of most questionable origin and are
>> almost certainly not by with composer with whom they are usually
>> associated. Neither is in the style of those composers, and as Howard
>> Weiner points out, the tunes don't appear in the thematic catalogs.
>>
>> The misattributions were most likely done intentionally, as the
>> history of deceptive publishing practice extends back into the
>> Baroque. The most famous example in the 19th century was probably
>> Fritz Kreisler publishing under a pseudonym, but he eventually claimed
>> authorship of his tunes. Brahms also published under pseudonym at the
>> beginning of his career if I remember correctly.
>>
>> I remember a brief article from some journal that discussed the
>> Frescobaldi, which I provided to John Marcellus but didn't keep for
>> myself. I doubt it's even possible to establish authoritatively who
>> wrote the Romanza and the Toccata.
>>
>> Robert Holland, Publisher
>> Briar Music Press
>> publisher at briarmusic.com
>> http://www.briarmusic.com
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>> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:35:26 -0500
>> From: "Jeff Albert" <jeffalbert.smb at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Ein Deutches Requiem
>> To: "Marius Helgå" <Marius.Helga at nb.no>
>> Cc: Bone List <trombone-l at samford.edu>
>>
>> I got to play it with the Louisiana Philharmonic this past season, and
>> I enjoyed it. Not overly difficult, but the stuff you get to play is
>> nice. There is one spot where you get to rock out with the bass
>> voices. Ok, maybe rock out isn't the correct term. It is music to
>> look forward to, and not music to sweat about.
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 4:31 AM, Marius Helgå <Marius.Helga at nb.no> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> Just got a phone request to play Brahms' Ein Deuthces Requiem in october.
>>>
>>> Of course I said yes, but now I turn to the list and ask: What am I facing on third trombone? Lots and lots of rest-counting, and a few notes in between, or do I get to actually do some playing?
>>>
>>> Marius Helgå
>>> Bass trombone
>>> Mo i Rana, Norway
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