[Trombone-l] Tommy Turk - Redux

[Wessner, John]

He was different than anybody else I listened to during the 50s - not counting JJ & Kay.  I don't recall any multiple tonguing, but he definitely played articulated rips against the grain.  I was probably too young to know then and too old to remember now how structured his solos were.  I listened to him in quartets and quintets in clubs.  He kicked butt, as was necessary in the setting.  He was not playing for the likes of us today, but for people like my uncle, a salesman who knew every bartender in town and told my father that he thought the "choruses" were medleys.  (That has contributed to some of my cynicism about people who critique jazz to this day.)  His usual pianist in those days was John Bunch.  It was all good musicians playing hard driving straight ahead jazz.  I don't recall any be-bop heads.
jw

-----Original Message-----
From: trombone-l-bounces at samford.edu [mailto:trombone-l-bounces at samford.edu] On Behalf Of Chris Tune
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 3:58 PM
To: 'Stan Brager'; 'Dave Hanson'; 'Trombone-L'
Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Tommy Turk - Redux

I'd like to hear these JATP.  I've heard many times just how advanced Tommy
Turk was.  From the sound of it, he was way, way ahead of the typical 1940's
jazz bone player.  Also, from the sound of it, he was probably a different,
more "instinctive" type of player (maybe I'm wrong about that).

What techniques is Tommy using?  I'm guessing he had multiple tongue and
"across the grain" well in hand.  Does he seem to have a master plan of
attack or a logic, to his soloing, or does he seem to be really out on the
ice (I sometimes imagine myself having been shoved out onto an ice rink and
told to-- DANCE!!! My little analogy for improv). . . just totally
impromptu?

Chris Tune

-----Original Message-----
From: trombone-l-bounces at samford.edu [mailto:trombone-l-bounces at samford.edu]
On Behalf Of Stan Brager
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 11:53 AM
To: Dave Hanson; Trombone-L
Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Tommy Turk - Redux

I realized that I had a couple of CDs of JATP. One of them is from another 
Carnegie Hall concert on November 2, 1949. This one features 3 more cuts 
with Tommy Turk:

Leap Here
Indiana (Back Home Again In)
Lover Come Back To Me

The personnel is somewhat different with Sonny Criss joining Charlie Parker 
on alto, Fats Navarro on trumpet, and Shelly Manne on drums. Roy Eldridge, 
Lester Young and Buddy Rich are out. Other than these changes, the personnel

on the above 3 cuts are the same as the September concert. Norman Granz does

all the introductions.

Cuts 5-8 feature Coleman Hawkins on tenor with Fats Navarro and the rhythm 
section.

Rifftide
Sophisticated lady
The Things We Did Last Summer
Stuffy

Stan
Stan Brager
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Hanson" <jazzdude39 at comcast.net>
To: <trombone-l at samford.edu>
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 10:44 AM
Subject: [Trombone-l] Tommy Turk


I was recently going through my many CD's and ran across one with the little

known trombonist Tommy Turk on a Norman Granz, Jazz at the Philharmonic 
recording. Also at this event was Charlie Parker as I remember but have lost

the jeweled box it came in, that lists all the players.

This was performed in 1949 long before I heard jazzers like Frank Rosolino 
and J.J. Johnson. Anyone on this list familiar with Tommy Turk ?

Happy New Year all !

Dave Hanson
Atlanta


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