[Trombone-l] Extra low valve settings

[Ray Horton]

Ed Anderson played with us several times when he was at IU and his son 
was playing doublebass with us.  Ed played on Planets, Mahler 2nd, and 
one or two other works.  Great guy, fantastic player.  He had a 10 1/2 
bell Bach at that time, but did use the F and C valves.  He said you 
never use them together.  I think the idea is to have the most open low 
C and B possible. 


There are several players around with separate F and D valves for the 
same purpose, (why not just stick with dependent valves?) but the C 
valve seems like too much to my mind.  And how do you play fast or 
legato Db - C?  You either have to play the C in 7th, or run back into 
first. 


I love my Gb valve.  I use it a million times a day. 


RBH


Jeff Albert wrote:
> When we played Mahler 2 with the LPO this past season, Ed Anderson
> (retired Cleveland bass trombonist and father of LPO's principal bass
> player) came in to play the extra trombone part.  He played fourth,
> and I played third.
>
> Ed plays a Bach with an 11 in bell (yes, typed 11 on purpose), and
> thayers in F and C.  Yes, the paddle valve is in C, alone...by itself.
>  I don't think he uses them in combination much.  I asked him about
> it, and I think part of it is the weight, the main reason seemed to be
> that he wanted a C that only used one valve.  I agree that C is a
> money note, and his is pretty rockin', even at 70-something years old.
>
> I couldn't play that rig, but Ed sounds great on it.
>
> jeff
>
> On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 10:40 AM, Keith Marr <Mail at gothicway.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>   
>> Occasionally I see valve settings whereby the Gb valve can be tuned down to D. There's a couple of questions I have about that:
>>
>> 1 Why would you do this? The second valve must have a heck of a resistance.
>>
>> 2 With the Gb valve tuned to D what is the result of the combination of both valves. Must be very low and a real lung-burster.
>>
>> One imagines the possibility of pedal tones down off the bottom of the piano register. (Yes, I know you can do this anyway with false tones - stop showing off!)
>>
>> Although these are usually custom tuning arrangements for individuals I see the Weril Gagliardi comes with a D crook for the second valve as standard issue.
>>
>> Enquiring minds need to know.
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
>> Keith in Bb/F/D
>> Bass Trombone: St Albans Symphony Orchestra, Page Three Big Band and
>> Mid Herts Jazz Orchestra
>> Soloist: Alto, tenor and bass trombones
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