[Trombone-l] Dvorak Violin Concerto - trombone 2 part in tenor orbass clef? - really Cello Concerto

[Raymond Horton]

That concerto actually has one of the best trombone parts of any 
concerto.  Second to the Elgar, as far as cello concerti run.


But I agree, learning alto clef really is not that hard.  First 
trombonists need it constantly, second trombonists need it regularly, 
bass trombonists need it occasionally. 


Many years ago, when I had to play the "tenor tuba" (euphonium) part on 
Strauss's _Don Quixote_ for the first time, I copied out the whole part 
and played it from ms.  (It is originally in Bb, in bass clef.)  I find 
I can transpose nearly anything in treble (well - parts in A give me 
fits) but, for some reason, transposing in bass clef has always seemed 
weird, I guess because it is so rare.  A couple of years later - we were 
to play Strauss's _Ein Heldenleben_ - same instrument, same 
transposition.  I wrote out the whole part, but by the time I was done I 
found I could read the original. 


(Now both parts are readily available on the web, in concert pitch, BTW.)


Raymond Horton
Louisville Orchestra


Jeff Albert wrote:
> For all this copying and drawing, it seems like it would be easier to
> just learn the part.  There can't be THAT many notes in the second
> trombone part of a cello concerto...
>
> Jeff
>
> On 9/14/07, Bruce Guttman <BGuttman at compuserve.com> wrote:
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>> I had an associate who didn't read alto clef either.  He had a neat trick
>> to deal with these parts.
>>
>> He'd make a copy of the part.
>>
>> Draw a line below the staff
>>
>> White-out the top line of the original staff.
>>
>> Now it's tenor clef.  Pure and simple.
>>
>> Bruce Guttman
>> Section Leader, Merrimack Valley Philharmonic Orchestra
>>
>>
>>
>> Message text written by "Moran, Doug"
>>     
>> Thanks Dave.
>>
>> I messed up on this.  Quickly reading "Concert für Violoncell." at the
>> top of the part caused me to search for the Violin Concerto.  Steve
>> Gamble wrote me off list to get me corrected.  I needed the CELLO
>> CONCERTO part transposed.
>>
>> I've called Luck's, spent $4 for the transposed part and we'll see what
>> shows up in the mailbox next week.  It is Dvorak, Op. 104, but the five
>> digit number at the bottom of the part did not match up with anything
>> the nice lady on the phone had.
>>
>> This list is GREAT!
>>
>> Doug
>>
>>
>> On Sep 14, 2007, at 1:33 PM, David W. Buckley wrote:
>>
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>>> Photo copy the parts and write in a 3rd above the alto. Then all you
>>> have to do is adjust the key signature. Quickest and easiest way I
>>> know.
>>>
>>> Dave Buckley
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moran, Doug" <morand at denison.edu>
>>> To: "List Trombone" <TROMBONE-L at server5.samford.edu>
>>> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 1:06 PM
>>> Subject: [Trombone-l] Dvorak Violin Concerto - trombone 2 part in
>>> tenor orbass clef?
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>>>> Hi Folks,
>>>>
>>>> In one of the orchestras I play in they are performing the Dvorak
>>>> Violin Concerto on an upcoming concert.  We have a sub on 2nd trombone
>>>> for the season who plays well and reads tenor and bass clef just fine.
>>>> The parts arrive and both the 1st and 2nd parts are in alto clef.
>>>> They
>>>> are from Luck's Music Library so I call them.  Not available
>>>> transposed
>>>> yet.
>>>>
>>>> Anyone have a 2nd trombone part transposed to tenor or bass clef they
>>>> can share with me?  Finale, Sibelius or pdf would work.  I'll pay for
>>>> snail mailing.  If I cannot find it, we'll make it work, but I'm
>>>> asking
>>>> here first.
>>>>
>>>> BTW - interesting info on available transposed orchestra parts is here
>>>> - http://www.lucksmusic.com/cat-symph/Transposedpdf.pdf
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>>
>>>> Doug Moran
>>>>
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