[Trombone-l] Arm Pain (Jerry Blomberg)
Laura Kernan
lmk17012004 at yahoo.com
Sun Oct 28 00:35:35 CDT 2007
Jerry,
Regrading your arm pain. It's unlikely you have tennis
elbow (unless you play tennis or another raquet sport)
as the motion of holding up a trombone is quite
different from swinging a racket, however you could
have a form of arthritis or tendinitis. I would
recommend seeing a physical therapist who can diagnose
you and likely give you exercises to help decrease the
pain.
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> 1. Re: Trombone Warmups (Adrian Drover)
> 2. More: Trombone brethren on West Coast
> (richard.bartkus at cox.net)
> 3. Lock/Kitch/Tremor/Dystonia (Denton Thomas)
> 4. Re: King Duo Gravis Conversion
> (emrose79 at sonic.net)
> 5. Re: King Duo Gravis Conversion (Eric Edwards)
> 6. Re: King Duo Gravis Conversion (Denny
> Seifried)
> 7. Re: King Duo Gravis Conversion
> (emrose79 at sonic.net)
> 8. Re: King Duo Gravis Conversion (Earl Needham)
> 9. Duo Gravis -- what model??? (Earl Needham)
> 10. Re: King Duo Gravis Conversion (Earl Needham)
> 11. Arm Pain (Jerry Blomberg)
> 12. Re: King Duo Gravis Conversion
> (emrose79 at sonic.net)
> 13. Re: Arm Pain (emrose79 at sonic.net)
> 14. Trombone Prints on eBay (Sam Louke)
> 15. Re: Arm Pain (Howard Spindel)
> 16. Re: Arm Pain (Daniel Pliskin)
> 17. Re: Duo Gravis -- what model??? (Tom Izzo)
> 18. Dee Stewart at Gettysburg College (JAMES RYON)
> 19. Re: Warmups (Joshua Hauser)
> 20. Thoughts about new Jupiter Jazz Trombones
> (Bart Roberts)
> 21. Re: Arm Pain (Jason Smith)
> 22. Re: Arm Pain (Price Taylor)
> 23. Re: King Duo Gravis Conversion (Eric & Candice
> Swanson)
> 24. Re: Duo Gravis -- what model??? (Eric &
> Candice Swanson)
> 25. Re: Duo Gravis -- what model??? (Earl Needham)
> 26. Re: Duo Gravis -- what model??? (Elliott
> Moxley)
> > From: "Adrian Drover" <slide at adios.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Trombone Warmups
> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 18:08:08 +0100
> To: "'Keith Marr'" <Mail at gothicway.fsnet.co.uk>,
> "'List Trombone'" <TROMBONE-L at server5.samford.edu>
>
>
>
> > From: Keith Marr
> > In my occasional role as self-appointed spokesman
> for the Adrian Drover
> > bass
> > trombone warm-up routine
>
>
> Hi Keith
>
> Thanx for pointing out to me privately that my link
> for this free download
> had disappeared from my website. It is now
> re-installed in pdf format and
> can be found on my home page.
>
> www.adios.co.uk
>
> A.
>
>
> > From: <richard.bartkus at cox.net>
> Subject: [Trombone-l] More: Trombone brethren on
> West Coast
> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 13:49:10 -0400
> To: trombone-l at server5.samford.edu
>
> Yes, it's bad here. The air is acrid with the
> nastiest smell. I live about 1 mile from Cook's
> Corner and watched the flames come down the side of
> the mountain towards my house. Fortunately, I don't
> have the really expensive home in the canyon, so
> there was only about a 30% chance of my house
> burning , if even that. However, the air suck and I
> am certain my lung capacity is suffering. I have a
> gig tonight in Anaheim that I am both looking
> forward to and dreading because it's going to be a
> serious blow.
>
> I think I would rather consume a years supply of
> Haggis than have to breathe this bile for another
> minute (sigh). I don't think I will be grilling or
> eating smoked BBQ anything for quite a while. Had a
> picture that I was going to send but it was a little
> too large and I think the server would reject images
> anyway.
>
> Monday, with the Santa Ana winds (not to be confused
> with the Symphonic Ensemble - LOL) and the fires,
> the temps were in the triple digits and the humidity
> was in single digits. Not good for humans but
> really good if you are a fire (sigh)
>
> Fortunately, the wind changed and the onshore flow
> has given us cooler breezes and more humidity. The
> fire has changed direction and is going back;
> hopefully when the Santa Anas kick up again, as they
> are expected to, there won't be as much fuel to keep
> it going.
>
> Richard
>
> NOTE: this email was not directed in response to
> any posts. Just thought y'all might want to know.
> I will try to get some pics posted on my site when I
> get home after the gig. www.richardbartkus.com
>
> > From: Denton Thomas <dentonlt at usa.net>
> Subject: [Trombone-l] Lock/Kitch/Tremor/Dystonia
> Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 06:35:09 +1000
> To: trombone-l at server5.samford.edu
>
> Greetings!
>
> As part of my DMA, I am interviewing individuals who
> have experience
> with tongue/lip-lock and various symptoms related to
> brass player's
> embouchure dystonia (FTSD). I am interested in both
> teachers who have
> seen/worked with this in others, and also brass
> players who have
> experienced the challenge first hand (professionally
> diagnosed or not).
> International contacts are especially welcome. I am
> currently not
> seeking individuals who have experienced dystonia of
> the hand or any
> other muscle group - just embouchure-related
> experiences.
>
> If you or someone you know would be willing to give
> a brief interview
> regarding their experiences, please contact me
> off-list. Your
> contribution will be greatly appreciated.
>
> Also, if you're interested to check out a few
> resources on the subject,
> I have a partially annotated bibliography posted on
> my site at
> http://www.dentonlt.com/download.html.
>
> Many thanks-
>
> Denton Thomas
>
> PS: I am currently en route to Minneapolis, and will
> be grateful to meet
> contacts on this subject while I'm there. I'll head
> to St. Louis next
> week, then home to Melbourne, Australia.
>
> --
> dentonlt.com / denton at dentonlt.com
> DMA in Progress: Performance, Trombone
> The University of Texas at Austin
>
>
>
> > From: emrose79 at sonic.net
> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] King Duo Gravis Conversion
> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:11:36 -0800
> To: trombone-l at server5.samford.edu
>
> but... but... that's almost sacrilegious!
> Earl... old? I'm wondering if mine is the oldest on
> the list (1968-9)
> BTW... I was at some kind of function about 10 years
> ago, and I saw a
> Duo Gravis with the middle finger set-up. He told me
> that it came that
> way????
>
> Ed
>
>
> Earl Needham wrote:
>
> >At 23:38 10/25/2007, William Huber wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Dear List,
> >>
> >> Has anyone had experience converting the
> side-by-side thumb
> >>triggers on a King Duo Gravis to a more modern set
> up, with the thumb
> >>operating the first valve and the middle or ring
> finger operating the
> >>second valve? I'm trying to avoid being "all
> thumbs" when playing in
> >>the low end of the instrument, and reworking the
> mechanism might help
> >>me... :-)
> >>
> >>
> >
> > I've daydreamed of doing just this for
> some years, but I
> >always chicken out, as I want mine, as old as it is
> (1976), to be
> >"factory original".
> >
> > Earl
> >
> >KD5XB -- Earl Needham
> >Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk
> >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cw_bugs
> >Quoting from the Coast Guard: ZUT
> >
> >
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> >
> >
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>
> > From: "Eric Edwards" <eric at elsjledwards.net>
> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] King Duo Gravis Conversion
> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 16:15:00 -0500
> To: "Trombone-L" <trombone-l at server5.samford.edu>,
> <emrose79 at sonic.net>
>
> No no no, it's not sacrilegious!
> It's making the horn comfortable to hold & play!
>
> I think that's more important than keeping something
> "factory fresh".
>
> I doubt changing the lever arrangement will
> negatively affect the price if
> Earl was ever to try to sell it.
>
> Just my $1.50's worth.
>
> Eric
>
>
> Eric, Leandra, Sara, Jared & Lily
> Edwards
> "The bitterness of poor quality remains long after
> the sweetness of low
> price has faded"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: trombone-l-bounces at server5.samford.edu
> [mailto:trombone-l-bounces at server5.samford.edu]On
> Behalf Of
> emrose79 at sonic.net
> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 5:12 PM
> To: trombone-l at server5.samford.edu
> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] King Duo Gravis Conversion
>
> but... but... that's almost sacrilegious!
> Earl... old? I'm wondering if mine is the oldest on
> the list (1968-9)
> BTW... I was at some kind of function about 10 years
> ago, and I saw a
> Duo Gravis with the middle finger set-up. He told me
> that it came that
> way????
>
> Ed
>
>
> Earl Needham wrote:
>
> >At 23:38 10/25/2007, William Huber wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Dear List,
> >>
> >> Has anyone had experience converting the
> side-by-side thumb
> >>triggers on a King Duo Gravis to a more modern set
> up, with the thumb
> >>operating the first valve and the middle or ring
> finger operating the
> >>second valve? I'm trying to avoid being "all
> thumbs" when playing in
> >>the low end of the instrument, and reworking the
> mechanism might help
> >>me... :-)
> >>
> >>
> >
> > I've daydreamed of doing just this for
> some years, but I
> >always chicken out, as I want mine, as old as it is
> (1976), to be
> >"factory original".
> >
> > Earl
> >
> >KD5XB -- Earl Needham
> >Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk
> >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cw_bugs
> >Quoting from the Coast Guard: ZUT
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
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> > From: "Denny Seifried" <ddsbstrb at woh.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] King Duo Gravis Conversion
> CC: trombone-list <trombone-l at server5.samford.edu>
> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 17:30:55 -0400
> To: "Eric Edwards" <eric at elsjledwards.net>
>
> I totally agree with Eric! Many years ago, I
> purchased a brand-new, TR-180
> through my local Holton dealer; however, I went to
> the factory in Elkhorn.
> At that time, I had one of the early TR-180's and it
> used a roller trigger,
> similar to a Conn 62H, only with old-style ball &
> socket joints. My dealer,
> even though a clarinetist, was always very hip to
> what was happening in the
> music industry and after a year or so, stated there
> were upgrades for the
> TR-180, like the Wonder-Bar and George Roberts was
> endorsing Holton's and
> had an improved lead-pipe, which would fit the
> TR-180 slide section.
>
> Mine went back to the factory for both, as I already
> had a D-Slide (factory)
> I was using, which came a few weeks after my
> original purchase.
>
> I really dug the Roberts-Pipe; however, after months
> or maybe a year or so
> of working with the Wonder-Bar, I couldn't deal with
> it any longer and sent
> the bell section off to Larry Minick for a
> Minick-Trigger-Job and an
> open-wrap D-slide. After I got the bell section
> back, I could never
> understand how I could put-up with that Wonder-Bar,
> for even one-day! The
> conversion was the best money I had ever spent,
> other than the Roberts Pipe,
> on that Holton.
>
> Sadly, in moment of needing some extra-cash, when
> raising my youngster and
> my wife, a stay-at-home-mom, I needed to sell that
> Holton, to pay for
> another horn I had purchased, and it was sold! Big
> mistake, as I am sure
> several of you have also parted with one of the best
> horns you ever owned,
> when looking back over the years!
>
> I also had my prized-possession, an Elkhart Conn
> 62H, also given a
> trigger-split by Eric Swanson and never, ever regret
> that move. Makes the
> bass bone so much more user-friendly and I never
> have worried about the
> value damage done by all of the mods I have had done
> on various bass bones I
> have owned, over the years.
>
> Denny Seifried
> Bass Trombone-Springfield (OH) Symphony & Dayton
> Jazz Orch.
> Adjunct Trombone-Wittenberg Univ. Dept. of Music
> Forum Moderator-The Trombone Forum
> (http://tromboneforum.org)
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Eric Edwards" <eric at elsjledwards.net>
> To: "Trombone-L" <trombone-l at server5.samford.edu>;
> <emrose79 at sonic.net>
> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 5:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] King Duo Gravis Conversion
>
>
> > No no no, it's not sacrilegious!
> > It's making the horn comfortable to hold & play!
> >
> > I think that's more important than keeping
> something "factory fresh".
> >
> > I doubt changing the lever arrangement will
> negatively affect the price if
> > Earl was ever to try to sell it.
> >
> > Just my $1.50's worth.
> >
> > Eric
> >
> >
> > Eric, Leandra, Sara, Jared & Lily
> > Edwards
> > "The bitterness of poor quality remains long after
> the sweetness of low
> > price has faded"
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: trombone-l-bounces at server5.samford.edu
> > [mailto:trombone-l-bounces at server5.samford.edu]On
> Behalf Of
> > emrose79 at sonic.net
> > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 5:12 PM
> > To: trombone-l at server5.samford.edu
> > Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] King Duo Gravis
> Conversion
> >
> > but... but... that's almost sacrilegious!
> > Earl... old? I'm wondering if mine is the oldest
> on the list (1968-9)
> > BTW... I was at some kind of function about 10
> years ago, and I saw a
> > Duo Gravis with the middle finger set-up. He told
> me that it came that
> > way????
> >
> > Ed
> >
> >
> > Earl Needham wrote:
> >
> >>At 23:38 10/25/2007, William Huber wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Dear List,
> >>>
> >>> Has anyone had experience converting the
> side-by-side thumb
> >>>triggers on a King Duo Gravis to a more modern
> set up, with the thumb
> >>>operating the first valve and the middle or ring
> finger operating the
> >>>second valve? I'm trying to avoid being "all
> thumbs" when playing in
> >>>the low end of the instrument, and reworking the
> mechanism might help
> >>>me... :-)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> I've daydreamed of doing just this for
> some years, but I
> >>always chicken out, as I want mine, as old as it
> is (1976), to be
> >>"factory original".
> >>
> >> Earl
> >>
> >>KD5XB -- Earl Needham
> >>Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk
> >>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cw_bugs
> >>Quoting from the Coast Guard: ZUT
> >>
> >>
> >>_______________________________________________
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> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
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>
> > From: emrose79 at sonic.net
> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] King Duo Gravis Conversion
> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:51:59 -0800
> To: Trombone-L <trombone-l at server5.samford.edu>
>
> Interesting side note... supposedly, Alan Raph (the
> designer...co-designer... had something to do with
> it) said that it was
> not "user friendly". I do remember my thumb hurting
> a lot when I did a
> lot of double-trigger stuff, but she's been retired
> for awhile now....
> (the horn that is..)
>
>
>
>
>
> Eric Edwards wrote:
>
> >No no no, it's not sacrilegious!
> >It's making the horn comfortable to hold & play!
> >
> >I think that's more important than keeping
> something "factory fresh".
> >
> >I doubt changing the lever arrangement will
> negatively affect the price if
> >Earl was ever to try to sell it.
> >
> >Just my $1.50's worth.
> >
> >Eric
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> > From: Earl Needham <needhame1 at plateautel.net>
> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] King Duo Gravis Conversion
> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 15:49:21 -0600
> To: trombone-l at server5.samford.edu
>
> At 15:15 10/26/2007, Eric Edwards wrote:
> >I doubt changing the lever arrangement will
> negatively affect the price if
> >Earl was ever to try to sell it.
>
> My family MAY sell it after I'm dead -- or
> not. My son like
> it a lot, too! Maybe it'll be for sale when HE
> passes on, in
> something like 2050 or 2060 -- the horn will be 85
> years old then!
>
> Earl
>
> KD5XB -- Earl Needham
> Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cw_bugs
> Quoting from the Coast Guard: ZUT
>
>
>
> > From: Earl Needham <needhame1 at plateautel.net>
> Subject: [Trombone-l] Duo Gravis -- what model???
> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 15:52:01 -0600
> To: trombone-l at server5.samford.edu
>
> At 16:11 10/26/2007, emrose79 at sonic.net wrote:
> >but... but... that's almost sacrilegious!
> >Earl... old? I'm wondering if mine is the oldest on
> the list (1968-9)
> >BTW... I was at some kind of function about 10
> years ago, and I saw a
> >Duo Gravis with the middle finger set-up. He told
> me that it came that
> >way????
> >
> >Ed
>
> As it seems to me, the "Duo Gravis" name
> has been used with
> several different models through the years -- at
> least 6B, 7B, and
> 8B, although mine has no such model number, strictly
> the name. Ed,
> you may very well have the oldest on the list, but I
> bet Tom Izzo has
> something hidden away in a closet that will give us
> all a chance to think!
>
> Earl
>
> KD5XB -- Earl Needham
> Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cw_bugs
> Quoting from the Coast Guard: ZUT
>
>
>
> > From: Earl Needham <needhame1 at plateautel.net>
> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] King Duo Gravis Conversion
> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 15:59:47 -0600
> To: trombone-l at server5.samford.edu
>
> At 16:51 10/26/2007, emrose79 at sonic.net wrote:
> >Interesting side note... supposedly, Alan Raph (the
> >designer...co-designer... had something to do with
> it) said that it was
> >not "user friendly". I do remember my thumb
> hurting a lot when I did a
> >lot of double-trigger stuff, but she's been retired
> for awhile now....
> >(the horn that is..)
>
> Yep, exactly right -- that second valve can
> put a hurtin' on
> the old thumb. I think the concept was to use the
> second valve ONLY
> for the low C and B, and only the F attachment for
> most work. Mine
> certainly sounds the best with only one valve more
> "tromboney", as a
> friend of mine put it once.
>
> Earl
>
> KD5XB -- Earl Needham
> Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cw_bugs
> Quoting from the Coast Guard: ZUT
>
>
>
> > From: "Jerry Blomberg" <jerryblomberg at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [Trombone-l] Arm Pain
> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 13:59:53 -0800
> To: <trombone-l at server5.samford.edu>
>
> Listers,
>
> I have started to be bothered by pain in my
> elbow-area, forearm muscle to
> the point that when I hold my horn up for the length
> of time it takes to
> play a piece, I can hardly straighten my arm out
> afterwards. I am 68 and I
> realize that my muscle tone isn't what it used to
> be. Does this seem like
> an elbow-joint or muscle problem? Has anyone
> experienced this? I sold my
> double valve bass and am now playing a single valve
> model because of the
> weight factor. Thanks for your thoughts.
>
>
>
> Jerry Blomberg
>
> Valencia, CA
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > From: emrose79 at sonic.net
> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] King Duo Gravis Conversion
> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 15:03:10 -0800
> To: trombone-l at server5.samford.edu
>
> That's the word that was used to describe me!...
> oh.. wait a minute...
> or was it tromphoney???
>
>
>
> Earl Needham wrote:
>
> >At 16:51 10/26/2007, emrose79 at sonic.net wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Interesting side note... supposedly, Alan Raph
> (the
> >>designer...co-designer... had something to do with
> it) said that it was
> >>not "user friendly". I do remember my thumb
> hurting a lot when I did a
> >>lot of double-trigger stuff, but she's been
> retired for awhile now....
> >>(the horn that is..)
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Yep, exactly right -- that second valve
> can put a hurtin' on
> >the old thumb. I think the concept was to use the
> second valve ONLY
> >for the low C and B, and only the F attachment for
> most work. Mine
> >certainly sounds the best with only one valve more
> "tromboney", as a
> >friend of mine put it once.
> >
> > Earl
> >
> >KD5XB -- Earl Needham
> >Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk
> >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cw_bugs
> >Quoting from the Coast Guard: ZUT
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
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>
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> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> > From: emrose79 at sonic.net
> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Arm Pain
> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 15:07:05 -0800
> To: trombone-l at server5.samford.edu
>
> Jerry... I'm no expert (at medicine or trombone!),
> but for me, that pain
> you describe was tendonitis of the elbow, as well as
> some arthritis..
> might be time to look at something like the
> ergo-bone
> Ed
>
>
>
> Jerry Blomberg wrote:
>
> >Listers,
> >
> >I have started to be bothered by pain in my
> elbow-area, forearm muscle to
> >the point that when I hold my horn up for the
> length of time it takes to
> >play a piece, I can hardly straighten my arm out
> afterwards. I am 68 and I
> >realize that my muscle tone isn't what it used to
> be. Does this seem like
> >an elbow-joint or muscle problem? Has anyone
> experienced this? I sold my
> >double valve bass and am now playing a single valve
> model because of the
> >weight factor. Thanks for your thoughts.
> >
> >
> >
> >Jerry Blomberg
> >
> >Valencia, CA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
>
>
> > From: "Sam Louke" <sam.louke at comcast.net>
> Subject: [Trombone-l] Trombone Prints on eBay
> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 16:37:39 -0700
> To: <trombone-l at server5.samford.edu>
>
> My wife found this eBay listing:
>
http://stores.ebay.com/FletcherPix_Trombone_W0QQcolZ4QQdirZ1QQfclZ3QQfsubZ46
> 72233QQftidZ2QQtZkm. My favorite is actually one
> called Combat Bassoon
> (click on the Bassoon link).
>
> Sam Louke
> Portland, OR
>
>
>
> > From: Howard Spindel <howard at sci1.com>
> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Arm Pain
> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 16:36:55 -0700
> To: <trombone-l at server5.samford.edu>
>
> Jerry,
>
> I had a similar problem with a double-valve bass
> (though not with an
> F-att tenor). The Edwards rest bar (Bullet Brace)
> was of
> considerable help to me in holding up the
> double-valve bass.
>
> The pain I had was definitely muscular, and I felt
> it most across the
> top of my forearm.
>
> Howard
>
> At 02:59 PM 10/26/2007, Jerry Blomberg wrote:
> >Listers,
> >
> >I have started to be bothered by pain in my
> elbow-area, forearm muscle to
> >the point that when I hold my horn up for the
> length of time it takes to
> >play a piece, I can hardly straighten my arm out
> afterwards. I am 68 and I
> >realize that my muscle tone isn't what it used to
> be. Does this seem like
> >an elbow-joint or muscle problem? Has anyone
> experienced this? I sold my
> >double valve bass and am now playing a single valve
> model because of the
> >weight factor. Thanks for your thoughts.
>
>
>
>
> > From: Daniel Pliskin <daniel_pliskin at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Arm Pain
> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 23:52:39 +0000
> To: <trombone-l at server5.samford.edu>
>
>
>
> > I have started to be bothered by pain in my
> elbow-area, forearm muscle to
> > the point that when I hold my horn up for the
> length of time it takes to
> > play a piece,
>
> Jerry,
>
> A fellow trombone-l lister suggested taping a really
> strong magnet to the area closest to where the pain
> is, back when I had debilitating bursitis. Within a
> day, it reduced the swelling and pain. It may or
> may not work for you, but it's easy to check, if you
> can get hold of a really strong magnet, that is. My
> magnets are Neodymium, rare earth magnets... very
> high tech magnets left over from a very high-tech
> motor I worked on, years ago.
>
> DanP
>
>
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> > From: Tom Izzo <contrabasstrombone at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Duo Gravis -- what
> model???
> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 17:27:47 -0700 (PDT)
> To: Earl Needham <needhame1 at plateautel.net>,
> trombone-l at server5.samford.edu
>
>
> --- Earl Needham <needhame1 at plateautel.net> wrote:
>
> > At 16:11 10/26/2007, emrose79 at sonic.net wrote:
> > >but... but... that's almost sacrilegious!
> > >Earl... old? I'm wondering if mine is the oldest
> on
> > the list (1968-9)
> > >BTW... I was at some kind of function about 10
> > years ago, and I saw a
> > >Duo Gravis with the middle finger set-up. He told
> > me that it came that
> > >way????
> > >
> > >Ed
> >
> > As it seems to me, the "Duo Gravis" name
> > has been used with
> > several different models through the years -- at
> > least 6B, 7B, and
> > 8B, although mine has no such model number,
> strictly
> > the name. Ed,
> > you may very well have the oldest on the list, but
> I
> > bet Tom Izzo has
> > something hidden away in a closet that will give
> us
> > all a chance to think!
> >
>
> hahahahahahahah You guys are all wimps!!!!
>
> No I don't own any Holtons, nor any Getzen's or even
> Edwards, Shires or any of the young whippersnappers
> out there. I have Bach's from the 40's, 50's & 60's.
> Plus Olds' from the 30's & 40's. And even an A Tenor
> from the 1700's. There, I gotcha beat, though it has
> no valve. :-)
>
> But my wimp comment is directed to you dependant
> players who insist on changing your trigger
> configurations to mimick the independant setups.
> I have used a double thumb valve setup on my
> commercial bass (standard wrapped, Gold plated,
> extra
> sized bell) for over 30 years; I have no complaints
> with it.
> Another Bass is openwrapped, Thayered, heavy belled,
> &
> that's set up like you are talking about re:
> conversions. And while I use both of these about the
> same amount of time (plus many others), I really
> find
> no advantage or disadvantage in separating the
> valves
> from the thumb setup. I'm comfortable with both.
>
> Of course, maybe it's familiarity, I've played
> double
> thumb valve basses for over 40 years. Those of you
> who
> make the conversion to side-finger setup on the 2nd
> valve, how long did you use the orig setup? Did you
> start on it? etc.
>
> My $5.91
>
> Tom
>
>
> > Earl
> >
> > KD5XB -- Earl Needham
> > Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cw_bugs
> > Quoting from the Coast Guard: ZUT
> >
> >
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>
>
> Tom Izzo
> Principal Trombonist, Bristol Renaissance Faire;
> Bass Trombonist, West Suburban Symphony Orchestra;
> Founding Director, The Naperville Area Trombone
> Ensemble;
> Alto/Tenor/Bass/Contrabass Trombones, Tubas,
> Euphonium, Bass Trumpet, Electric Bass, Timpani &
> Percussion.
> http://www.Geocities.com/Vienna/Studio/7875/
> (630) 765-0154
>
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> > From: JAMES RYON
> <jimryon at embarqmail.com>
> Subject: [Trombone-l] Dee Stewart at Gettysburg
> College
> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 20:34:18 -0400 (EDT)
> To: trombone-l at server5.samford.edu
>
>
> Greetings Colleagues:
>
> I am pleased to announce that Mr. Dee Stewart will
> be the guest of Gettysburg College in Gettysburg,
> PA. on Tuesday November 6. During the day, he will
> be conducting various lessons and masterclasses, and
> in the evening he will be performing a full recital.
> The recital is open to the public, free of charge.
> It is scheduled for 8 pm, and will be given in the
> Music Recital Hall in Schmucker Hall on the campus
> of Gettysburg College.
>
> Dee Stewart is currently professor of trombone and
> euphonium at Indiana University in Bloomington,
> Indiana. Prior to his coming to Indiana University,
> Mr. Stewart spent 18 years with the Philadelphia
> Orchestra, much of that time under the leadership of
> Eugene Ormandy.
>
> Please feel free to attend the recital. For more
> information, you may call the Gettysburg College
> Music office at 717-337-6815.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Jim Ryon
> Adjunct Professor of Low Brass
> Gettysburg College
>
> > From: Joshua Hauser <jhauser at tntech.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Warmups
> CC: Joshua Hauser <jhauser at tntech.edu>
> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 20:35:13 -0500
> To: "trombone-l at maillists.samford.edu"
> <trombone-l at server5.samford.edu>
>
> I have a few thoughts on the required elements of a
> warmup routine that I
> have gathered over the years, mostly drawn from my
> studies with Ray Premru
> while he was at Oberlin. I came in to one lesson
> pretty clueless about what
> to do for a routine and he drew up a 10 page warmup
> routine for me, largely
> drawn from Remington style patterns. Since then, I
> have collected lots of
> exercises for various needs and I mix and match them
> to suit the day in
> order to keep myself from getting bored.
>
> The general gist of my philosophy about warming up
> is summarized in a
> handout that I give to my students and that I have
> on the web at:
> http://iweb.tntech.edu/jhauser/whywarmup.html
>
> Thanks for the question. I am always looking for
> new ideas and I am
> enjoying seeing everyone's approaches. This kind of
> question is exactly why
> I am subscribed to Trombone-l.
>
> Shameless self promotion: I also have several
> warmup and basic routine
> exercises on my website along with some play-a-long
> mp3s at:
> http://iweb.tntech.edu/jhauser/warmupplayalongs.html
>
> Josh
>
>
>
>
> ______________________________________________
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> Box 5045
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> Cookeville, TN 38505
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> http://www.tntech.edu/brass/trombone
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>
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>
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>
>
>
> > From: "Bart Roberts" <bartmroberts at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Trombone-l] Thoughts about new Jupiter
> Jazz Trombones
> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 22:16:14 -0400
> To: "'Trombone-L'" <TROMBONE-L at server5.samford.edu>
>
> Hello,
>
> I am curious if anyone has played on the new Jupiter
> small bores tenor
> trombones "Jazz" horns
> at all? I'm interested in some opinions about them.
> I'm in the market for a
> new small horn. Sold
> my 2b to a student who is now at Berklee.
>
> Best wishes!!
>
> Bart Roberts
>
>
> > From: Jason Smith <jbone72 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Arm Pain
> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 19:38:16 -0700 (PDT)
> To: Jerry Blomberg <jerryblomberg at yahoo.com>,
> bone list <trombone-l at server5.samford.edu>
>
> they make a contraption called a ergobone that
> supports the weight of the trombone. There is a
> gentleman that plays in a band with me that had
> sugery
> and I found the information and bought one. He's
> bakd
> to playing again. I found the article in the ITA
> journal.
>
> Jason
> --- Jerry Blomberg <jerryblomberg at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Listers,
> >
> > I have started to be bothered by pain in my
> > elbow-area, forearm muscle to
> > the point that when I hold my horn up for the
> length
> > of time it takes to
> > play a piece, I can hardly straighten my arm out
> > afterwards. I am 68 and I
> > realize that my muscle tone isn't what it used to
> > be. Does this seem like
> > an elbow-joint or muscle problem? Has anyone
> > experienced this? I sold my
> > double valve bass and am now playing a single
> valve
> > model because of the
> > weight factor. Thanks for your thoughts.
> >
> >
> >
> > Jerry Blomberg
> >
> > Valencia, CA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Trombone-l mailing list
> > Trombone-l at maillists.samford.edu
> >
>
http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l
> >
>
>
> Jason Smith
>
> www.thebandroomtx.com
> www.concerttimeusa.com
> www.pershingparkbaptist.com
>
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> > From: "Price Taylor" <pricetaylor at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Arm Pain
> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 20:26:57 -0700
> To: "'Jerry Blomberg'" <jerryblomberg at yahoo.com>,
> <trombone-l at server5.samford.edu>
>
> Have you considered some weight training? Not
> much...but enough to limber
> up your arms and get some muscle tone? Try small
> amounts of weight (start
> with 5 or less pounds), high number of repetitions
> (15-20).
>
> If it hurts too much, stop. You may have some
> inflammation that needs to
> subside.
>
> You might want to research what to do about "tennis
> elbow" since that's what
> it sounds like.
>
> As far as the double vs. single valve goes...you can
> tell the list how much
> you miss the other valve. It's an interesting
> debate!
>
> Price
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: trombone-l-bounces at maillists.samford.edu
> [mailto:trombone-l-bounces at maillists.samford.edu] On
> Behalf Of Jerry
> Blomberg
> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 3:00 PM
> To: trombone-l at server5.samford.edu
> Subject: [Trombone-l] Arm Pain
>
> Listers,
>
> I have started to be bothered by pain in my
> elbow-area, forearm muscle to
> the point that when I hold my horn up for the length
> of time it takes to
> play a piece, I can hardly straighten my arm out
> afterwards. I am 68 and I
> realize that my muscle tone isn't what it used to
> be. Does this seem like
> an elbow-joint or muscle problem? Has anyone
> experienced this? I sold my
> double valve bass and am now playing a single valve
> model because of the
> weight factor. Thanks for your thoughts.
>
>
>
> Jerry Blomberg
>
> Valencia, CA
>
>
>
>
>
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>
> > From: Eric & Candice Swanson
<swan325 at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] King Duo Gravis Conversion
> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 23:17:24 -0500
> To: Trombone-L <trombone-l at server5.samford.edu>
>
> Eric Edwards wrote:
>
> >No no no, it's not sacrilegious!
> >It's making the horn comfortable to hold & play!
> >
> >I think that's more important than keeping
> something "factory fresh".
> >
> >I doubt changing the lever arrangement will
> negatively affect the price if
> >Earl was ever to try to sell it.
> >
> >Just my $1.50's worth.
> >
> >
> >
>
> Yeah, that's just about what a Dou Gravis is worth
> these days, too.
>
>
>
> (Just kidding. Couldn't resist.)
>
> E. Swanson
>
>
> > From: Eric & Candice Swanson
<swan325 at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Duo Gravis -- what
> model???
> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 23:26:32 -0500
> To: trombone-l at server5.samford.edu
>
> Earl Needham wrote:
>
> >
> > As it seems to me, the "Duo Gravis" name
> has been used with
> >several different models through the years -- at
> least 6B, 7B, and
> >8B, although mine has no such model number,
> strictly the name.
> >
>
>
> The Dou Gravis refers to the 6B. The 7B and 8B were
> different animals
> with in-line valves that came along later.
>
> Eric Swanson
>
> > From: Earl Needham <needhame1 at plateautel.net>
> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Duo Gravis -- what
> model???
> Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 07:43:01 -0600
> To: trombone-l at server5.samford.edu
>
> At 22:26 10/26/2007, Eric & Candice Swanson wrote:
> >Earl Needham wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > As it seems to me, the "Duo Gravis" name
> has been used with
> > >several different models through the years -- at
> least 6B, 7B, and
> > >8B, although mine has no such model number,
> strictly the name.
> > >
> >
> >
> >The Dou Gravis refers to the 6B. The 7B and 8B
> were different animals
> >with in-line valves that came along later.
> >
> >Eric Swanson
>
> There are a good number of people that call
> all three "Duo
> Gravis", especially on tromboneforum.org -- thus I
> was confused.
>
> Thanks,
> Earl
>
> KD5XB -- Earl Needham
> Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cw_bugs
> Quoting from the Coast Guard: ZUT
>
>
>
> > From: "Elliott Moxley" <edm5970 at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Duo Gravis -- what
> model???
> Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 11:13:56 -0400
> To: "trombone-l" <trombone-l at server5.samford.edu>
>
> Back in the late '60s I bought a King 1480 "Symphony
> Tenor (Bass)
> Trombone", quotes are from the catalog that I
> finally found it in at the
> time. My high school had one, and I wanted to have
> one of my own for
> college. The instrument had a .536 bore, a size
> I've never seen since,
> and used a large shank mouthpiece. The bell throat
> was such that it had a
> pretty decent bass 'bone sound, especially with a 1
> 1/2 G. At the time
> the 1490 was the other King bass, and was known as
> the Duo Gravis. As far
> as I know, neither the 1480 or 1490 had a "B" number
> at the time, although
> the 1490 apparently later became the 6B. I've seen
> a mention of the 5B,
> but IIRC that was a 4B with a larger bell.
>
> Was the 1480 a design that eventually got tweaked,
> bore and bell taper,
> into becoming the 4B? It seems that the 1480
> dropped out of sight when the
> 4B came along.
> You still see the 1480 on eBay from time to time. I
> love the descriptions,
> like "King valve trombone with two tips", tips
> meaning mouthpieces, of
> course-
>
>
> > The Duo Gravis refers to the 6B. The 7B and 8B
> were different animals
> > with in-line valves that came along later.
> >
> > Eric Swanson
> > _______________________________________________
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