[Trombone-l] How to learn about F attachment

Wed Mar 7 07:14:22 CST 2007

Same for me, as I always play the low F's on the Gb side in about 99% of the 
time and tune my f-attachment to a in-tune C. On my dependent horn, I still 
have the original springs in my Elkhart 62H and play C with the spring 
uncompressed and low F, with the springs compressed.

I have heard that a repairman can fashion a euphonium/baritone valve 
spring/springs and convert any trombone to the old system like Conn used on 
the 88H and their Elkhart bass trombones. Maybe some of the repairmen who 
hang around here could comment on that!

Denny Seifried
Bass Trombone-Springfield (OH) Symphony & Dayton Jazz Orchestra
Adjunct Trombone-Wittenberg Univ. Dept. of Music
Forum Moderator-The Trombone Forum (http://thetromboneforum.org)

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael D McLemore" <mmclemore at charter.net>
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Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 7:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] How to learn about F attachment

>
> Same here.  Not only does it give you a more usable low C, but it keeps 
> the
> valve positions closer to the Bb positions.  To compensate for the f being
> flat in first, I never play my 1st position "all the way in." I guess it
> goes back to the old Conns with the springs at the top of the slide.
>
> Mike
>
> Michael D. McLemore
> mmclemore at charter.net
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: trombone-l-bounces at maillists.samford.edu
> [mailto:trombone-l-bounces at maillists.samford.edu] On Behalf Of Gabriel
> Langfur
> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 6:27 AM
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>
> I do. Mostly they are bass trombone players who commit to playing low Fs 
> on
> the 2nd valve or in 6th - but I also know tenor players who use 6th for 
> the
> low F and keep their valve slide long enough to get a usable low C.
>
> Gabe
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Wayne Dyess <TexasTbone at gt.rr.com>
> To: Walter Barrett <walttrombone at optonline.net>
> Cc: Trombone-L List <trombone-l at server5.samford.edu>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2007 12:32:15 AM
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>
>
> Actually, I don't know of any players who tune their F attachment on
> the C.
>
> It ain't called the "F" attachment for nuttin', ya know.  Like why is
> it a Bb trombone?  Do we tune best on an "A"?  I think not.
>
>
> On Mar 6, 2007, at 9:26 PM, Walter Barrett wrote:
>>
>> Tuning the F attachment usually falls into 2 camps- tune it so 2nd
>> space C is in tune. (One disadvantage to this is that F in Valve 1st
>> is then flat, and you have to play it in 6th all the time.) The other
>> camp says to tune it so that low F is in tune. The 2nd space C will
>> be sharp, but you can bring it down with the handslide, usually about
>> 1/2-3/4 inch out from regular 1st. The disadvantage to this tuning is
>> that low C (2nd leger) is more sharp than when you tune the other
>> way, and has to be lipped down even more. (That low C is usually
>> sharp, no matter which way you tune it. It's just more sharp with the
>> F in tune method.)
>>
>> I like the low F in tune method, myself. I find myself wanting the
>> availability of F in 1st AND 6th.
>>
>>
>> Walter Barrett
>
> ========
>
> But yeah, the "C" will be somewhat sharp.  Overtone series... same
> reason the 2nd line "F" is sharp on the Bb side of the horn.  Duh.
>
> Al Lube laid out the overtone series great (a fine teacher I had at
> UofH).  All numbers.  Physics, but we won't go there.  Acoustics...
> whatever you want to call it.
>
> 1 - fundamental.  Gotta start somewhere.  This pup better be in
> tune!  Pedal Bb.
> 2 - the octave above.  Another "in-tune" note.
> 3 - here is the F in the staff.  It's sharp.  Note the odd number.
> 4 - another Bb.   Another note "in-tune."  Note the pattern of the
> Bb's and the numbers
> 5 - the D above the staff.  Flat.  Another odd number.
> 6 - the F above that.  An even number, but divide it in half and you
> get the 3.  Also sharp!
> 7 - Do we really want to go there?  VERY flat.  Rarely do we want to
> play the Ab in 1st.  Avoid it babe.
> 8 - The high Bb.  Another note "in-tune", if we aren't pinching to
> get it.
>
> 1,2,4,8 = Bb's, in tune.
> 3,6 = F (and sharp)
> 5,7 = flat and very flat.
>
>
> It's all a numbers game.
>
> Translate those numbers to the F attachment, beginning with the "F"
> as your fundamental, and you find the C is sharp.  It's just gonna be
> that way.  But mercy -- don't TUNE the thing to C.
>
> That's another topic of discussion since I hear a LOT of bands tuning
> their brass to "F".  In my book, that's just flat out wrong and their
> bands don't play well in tune.  Can't imagine why.
>
> It's a Bb Trombone!!!
> Sometimes with an F attachment.
>
> So tune it that way.
>
> My two cents.
> Rant over.
>
> :-)
> --Wayne Dyess
>
>
>
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