[Trombone-l] Coffee talk...

[Patrick & Lisa Bates]

Thanks Wayne! As a weekend warrior type I'd say that the leadership in the
group is crucial amonst the non pro crowd. I play in a community concert
band (80 years of history), the big band that's a part of it, and a nine
piece classic rock/blues type band that pulled better than half it's players
out of the other band. The conductor of the concert band is a very good
musician (lawyer by trade) On a good night the music is, well, musical, and
isn't that what we're all after? There's two pros that play with us on a
regular basis, and there's about three or four more players that could
easily have made a living on thier instrument but chose other careers. I'm
not part of that crowd, but I like to think I'm close.  The good players
pull the rest of us up to their level (with the help of the conductor of
course). In short, good musicians any day. I play a lot better when I'm the
worst player in the group!
Patrick Bates
bass bone
Chatham Concert Band
Primitive Roots Jazz Band
Niteflite

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Wayne Dyess" <texastbone at gt.rr.com>
To: <joetuba at lightspeed.net>
Cc: <trombone-l at server5.samford.edu>
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 11:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Coffee talk...


> I beg to differ.  I think you CAN play good music with mediocre
> musicians.  Now, if you're talking about beginners with bad tones...
> that is one thing.  Good tone quality leads to good intonation.  You
> generally can't have one without the other, and it almost always
> starts with good fundamental SOUND.
>
> What I am talking about here is the British Brass Band kind of
> player.  He works a day job, but plays on the side for fun.  We have
> those in the U.S., too, though not always in a brass band variety.
> Community bands... big bands.  My Night & Day Orchestra, for
> instance, is comprised of players who might not always get a call for
> a gig, but they love to play.  Most played in a good college jazz
> band.  Some play professionally on the side.  Are they bad players?
> I don't think so.  They may not sight-read as well as the union guys,
> but they can darn sure work up just about any chart we care to tackle
> and sound good on it.
>
> Having a good MUSICIAN rehearsing the band can bring out all that is
> needed to make what might have been mediocre at best, and make it
> into some really good, impressive sounding MUSIC.
>
> Bad musicians?  Hardly.  Bad players?  Not on my watch.
>
> I don't associate with folks who can't make a good fundamental
> sound.  Those types won't get the call to even sit in.  If those are
> the kinds of folks we're talking about, then yeah -- I'd agree.  But
> if by "bad" you mean non-union players who play for the fun of it?  I
> vehemently disagree that they can't make good music!
>
> --Wayne
>
>
> On Jun 28, 2007, at 1:10 PM, Joe Norcross wrote:
>
> > You really can not play good music with bad musicians, but good
> > musicians
> > can make bad music sound better than it should
> >
> > Joe Norcross
> > Tuba COS Sequoia Winds, Visalia CA
> > Tuba-Announcer Kingsburg City Band
> > joetuba at lightspeed.net
>
> Wayne Dyess
> The Night & Day Orchestra
> http://www.ndotex.com
> Lamar University-Beaumont, Texas
> Professor of Music
>
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