[Trombone-l] doodle tonging: looking for help

[eliezer aharoni]

Hello list
I'd like to share with you a few considerations about
doodle tonging and similarities to other multiple tongings:

1. Getting it together. Everybody that tries doodle tonging should try to recall
his early steps of regular multiple tonging (with "ta-ka") attacks. Did you
get the "ka" attack"
immediatly with clarity, or you had to do and redo till it started speaking
properly?
2. Clarity. To get a clear sound, one has to move the tonge down from the
palate and open his throat,
(on double/triple tonging as well as doodle/daula which are parallel). It's
hard, but when you master it the sound gets clearer.
3. Mindwork. The speed is imprpved if you narrow it doun from 2 sillables
to one.
try this: thing for yourself a bunch of repeated 16th notes:
In double tonging: ta-ka-ta-ka
in doodle - da-ool -da-ool
isn't it heavy? thats because you think one stroke (syllable per note).
Now sing: In double tonging tak-tak (be sure to openthe throat WIDE after the k)
               in doodle: dal-dal
If you notice, you got the same result with half the strokes!!! all you
have now is to work at it
till you master it!!!!
It work the same like: try to write 1010 thinking : one O one O (that's
four strokes)
now do the same thinking: ten ten
do you realise how much faster it's done?
One mor tip: Working at it from a tutor (like McChesny):
Do'nt try a full exercise at first. Take first one bar alone and keep
working at it with pause
after each try
then 2 bars, line, two lines etc. till mastered - you can't expect
endurence to build up at once...
I hope that hels - send me some feedbacks after you tried it.

Best wishes
Eliezer Aharoni

>
>>From time to time I have been trying to develop an
>"acceptable" doodle tonging technique but I'm failng
>again and again... At first, long time ago  (and I
>mean years) I began experimenting with the Watrous
>book with no satisfactory results... and now I'm with
>the Mcchesney one.  The problem is that simply, no
>matter where I tonge it, the second silabe ("dle" in
>the Watrous or "ul" in the Mcchesney) it sounds
>"closed" , not "clear" "nassal"... It seems that for
>me its imposible to play them "even" (with same volume
>and tone) . I feel that I tried all...  I'm not a bad
>player so it's very frustrating for me... I mean,
>that I understand how brass instrument works, I can
>analyse things, but in which concerns to the doodle
>technique nothing seems to work for me. And it's not a
>matter of speed because I can go pretty fast but I
>can't avoid the explained problem...  I must say that
>I have no problems with the "traditional" articulation
>systems (both simple and multiple tonguing ones)...
>
>OK...  thinking about this problem I've arrived at a
>theory that I would like to share with you looking for
>help and understanding...
>
>Can we think that doodle tonguing might be much
>eassier for players with an "U" shape upper tooth than
>for players with a more "V" shape ones? My  idea is
>that perhaps with a more  "V" shape upper maxilar
>conformation (my case), when the tonge articulates
>the "DLE" silabe ("UL" for   McChesney)  it simple
>does not leave enough room at it sides to let enouth
>air pass and produce a good and clear tone.  (and so
>the "closed" sound) Does This make sense for you?  any
>ideas? I will appreciatte all kind  of feedback
>concerning this issue.
>
>Manny Thanks
>
>-Hugo GS
>
>
>
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Eliezer Aharoni
Former Bass Trombonist, Jerusalem Symphony Orchestra
Author: New Method for the Modern Bass Trombone
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