[Trombone-l] Dave Liebman Band

[Gabriel Langfur]

Third.



----- Original Message ----
From: Art Triggs <art at awtriggs.com>
To: TROMBONE-L at server5.samford.edu
Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 7:43:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Dave Liebman Band


I will second what zemry1 said, and add to it.I lurk more often than not 
because of this tiresome behavior.  I know Sam from working with him, 
and from listening to him and many other great players in NYC for many 
years.
This troll has chosen one bad day to represent someone's playing that he 
does not know otherwise. (we all have bad days) Sam chooses his words 
according to what he thinks and believes, I happen to agree with some of 
it, not with some of the rest of it, like many would with me or anyone 
else. Sam's attitude about what he believes is a reflection of who he 
is, as much as this outburst is a reflection of who edneely is,
my only thought about it is who would you rather be associated with?

well except maybe don't feed the troll anymore.......

Art Triggs

zemry1 wrote:
> WOW!!! I haven't posted on this list in probably a year and now I see why.
> That is a totally unwarranted vicious personal attack. 
> 
> First thing, I've known Sam on-line for several years and I have never seen
> him exhibit any racist behaviour. Being African-American and from the south,
> I know racism when I see or hear it. Being a lawyer, I also wouldn't be the
> least bit surprised if you weren't placing yourself in a position for a
> possible defamation lawsuit. I would definitely think twice before I called
> a person a racist over the internet. Seeing as Sam is a professional
> musician and teacher, there is no doubt that your words could cause him a
> possible loss of income and damage his reputation. Being on the computer
> doesn't make you immune from a lawsuit. 
> 
> Secondly, Sam is a top notch musician. He has made a living playing trombone
> in New York. That is not something that I could do and I strongly suspect
> that you could not do it either! Moreover, Sam has willingly taken of his
> time to give FREE trombone advice over the internet, on this list and on
> other trombone sites. If you take the time to read some of his posts, you
> will see that he is a wealth of knowledge regarding the trombone and music
> in general. 
> 
> Think twice before making such posts!   
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: trombone-l-bounces at maillists.samford.edu
> [mailto:trombone-l-bounces at maillists.samford.edu] On Behalf Of
> edneeley at juno.com
> Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 5:40 AM
> To: TROMBONE-L at server5.SAMFORD.EDU
> Subject: [Trombone-l] Dave Liebman Band
> 
> Good Lord! 
> Please don't hire this guy as a teacher. Listen to the ITA recording with
> him featured. Bad time, bad sound, bad attacks, and terrible intonation. 
> It seems that the Dave Liebman Band can't afford the good NY players so he
> takes Sam. Or, maybe he likes crude, out of tune players with crappy sound
> and bad time. A racist to boot!
> ed
> """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
> """ 
> <<I am available for teaching work on either side of these dates in 
> some sort of fairly easily traveled radius...say a couple of hundred 
> miles, max...if anyone wants a clinician, guest artist, etc.>>
> 
> 
> 
> 
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