[Trombone-l] Listening to Frank...

[Daryl Burch]

Word.

The guy on the Kooza book played a few things on his bass bone that  
seemed a bit high for it and I'm sure he did it because there wasn't  
enough time to switch. But I could tell. Lines didn't speak as well.  
And his sound had more of a euphonium/french horn timbre to it. His  
bass parts were fine. But when he switched to his tenor, the guy was  
all over it (the higher stuff) like white on rice.

Good idea about the Steve Davis CD. I'll have to pick one up (or 3).  
I've always liked John Fedchock's recorded sound. He always sounds  
like butta' live. But the last few recordings I've heard of him  
(soloing) have been (I thought) a really good representation of his  
live sound. IMHO...

Cheers!
-D-
www.radionoise.com <- Rock star by night
www.burchinteractive.com <- Tech-nerd by day #;-)


On Dec 30, 2007, at 2:38 PM, Jeff Albert wrote:

While I agree that playing dude x's mouthpiece will not make me sound
like dude x, if there is a sound that dude x gets, that I can't seem
to replicate, knowing what his gear is can't be all bad.  I'm saying
this in terms of mature developed players, more than high school kids.

In 2000, I was making a CD, and I kept bugging the mixing engineer
about the eq on my sound.  I finally brought him a Steve Davis CD, and
said "check out this sound."  As I did that, I realized that Steve was
playing radically larger gear than I was at the time.  That started a
long gear exploration for me.  I never did begin to sound like Steve
Davis, and I never have played his gear, but I don't have to bug
engineers about eq to make me sound like I want to sound anymore.
Looking at the relationship of gear and sound made it easier for me to
make the music I want to make.  Gear isn't the answer or magic potion,
but it is part of the equation.

Jeff

On Dec 30, 2007 3:25 PM, Daryl Burch <daryl at burchinteractive.com> wrote:
> I just wanted to know for the very reason that some guys like 2Bs for
> their cutting ability and some like Conn's. Many I know like Bach
> 16's with a shallow cup MP.
>
> I'm usually the 1st to cringe at our geek-dom whenever y'all whip out
> the calipers and start measuring stuff. But this time I happened to
> be listening to Frank and thought his high F could've given me a buzz
> cut.
>
> I've been known to blow a few guitar players (with big amps) off
> stage--be it on the 2B or the 42. But I don't have that cutting
> ability (or stability) of facility up high like THAT. (Now ya got me
> soundin' like a Jesse Jackson rant!) And am finally to point where
> I'd like to explore how to build it up.
>
> ...and I don't have the pocket change some of y'all got to change
> gear on a whim. I was merely asking to ask.
>
> Kinda like how had I not asked, I wouldn't have found out Greg Boyer
> plays a Schmelzer–a horn I'd never heard of before and would love to
> play for a weekend. (Then I'd figger out how to pay for one.) But I
> have no delusions that merely buying a $5000 horn is going make me
> sound like I played in P-Funk for 25yrs.
>
> As a "general" observation: The guys I know that gots the biggest/
> best-est/most expensive gear got the least chops/soul/groove/talent/
> stuff to say.
>
> And as Dennis Miller has said many times, "That's just my opinion. I
> could be wrong."
>
> Here's to everybody gettin' a little groove in their step in 2008!
>
> Cheers!
> -D-
> www.radionoise.com <- Rock star by night
> www.burchinteractive.com <- Tech-nerd by day #;-)
>
>
>
> On Dec 30, 2007, at 11:56 AM, Andy & Shannon Skaggs wrote:
>
> Hi -
>
> I certainly didn't mean to suggest that a person can sound like any
> other
> player by changing equipment, nor did I get that impression from the
> other
> posters in this thread.  I was simply responding to the original
> questioner
> regarding what horn Frank used.  I don't know if it was your
> intention, but
> the tone of your email struck me as, well, irksome.  If I'm
> misreading, then
> I apologize.  Maybe I'm just being overly sensitive.
>
> Anyway, back to trombone talk, and everyone have a prosperous and
> happy new
> year!
>
> - Andy
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dick Sleeman" <dick at sleeman.nl>
> To: "Trombone-List" <trombone-l at samford.edu>
> Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 10:58 AM
> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Listening to Frank...
>
>
>> Andy wrote:
>>
>>> Frank was the man!  As far as I know, he played a Conn 6H with an
>>> 11C.  I
>>> could be wrong about the mouthpiece -- anybody know for sure?  He  
>>> was
>>> definitely a 6H guy, though.  Happy listening...
>>
>> and Bob wrote:
>>
>>> The original 'Rosolino 1' is a ~15C.
>>> Terry later extrapolated this into a ~12C and ~11C versions,  
>>> noted as
>>> Rosolino 2 & 3, respectively. I have a Rosolino 2 for sale  if
>>> anyone is
>>> interested...
>>
>> and Daryl wrote:
>>
>>> Can anybody tell me what model horn Frank liked?
>>>
>>> What mouthpiece?
>>
>> Sometimes I wonder if there REALLY are people out there who REALLY
>> think
>> they
>> will sound like and play like a famous musician, once they use the
>> same
>> equipment....
>>
>> Daryl wrote also:
>>
>>> How'd he get such a strong, biting sound in the upper register like
>>> that? (His high F could peel back your rug!)
>>
>> In discussions like this I almost never see the name of ABE LINCOLN
>> (NOT
>> the
>> president). His high F sends shivers down my spine! In case you never
>> heard of
>> him - hardly imaginable - try to listen to records of The Rampart
>> Street
>> Paraders, Bobby Hackett, Pete Fountain and the Eddy Condon 'gang',
>> or go
>> to:
>>
>> http://wwwold.riverwalkjazz.org/profiles/lincoln.htm
>>
>> http://www.trombonesonline.com/artist-trombone/abelincoln.htm
>>
>> Happy New Year!
>>
>> Dick Sleeman
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