[Trombone-l] Bartok Gliss BEST WAY

[Raymond Horton]

I guess my tuning slide works unusually well.  I don't feel it when the 
tubist moves the tuning slide, which is kind of creepy -(to start the 
gliss in one tuning, and end it in another, that is). 


I think I came off extra snotty sounding because I didn't realize some 
of the other suggestions (fake notes, etc.) were written before mine was 
posted. 


BTW, if you sit around worrying about the conductor all your career, 
you'll never play any music.


Again, the rest of you  try this before you dismiss it.  I think I would 
have dismissed it from just reading it.


Or don't - and there will just be a couple of us that play it better 
than everybody else <g> .


RBH




thetubameister at adelphia.net wrote:
> Not to sound defensive, but I've tried your way, and it jostles my embouchure unacceptably.  No one can move my slide without unpredictable consequences - for me, that is.
>
> Your mileage may vary - to each their own, but there's only one wrong way - ticking off the conductor
>
> And there's only one right way - get an F trombone.  And I think you can rent a double slide instrument from Osmun Music in Boston.
>
> Lastly - anyone tried a pedal register gliss on and Olds or DEG F alto?  Just a thought...
>
> J.c.S.
>
> ---- Raymond Horton <rayhorton at insightbb.com> wrote: 
>   
>> I know this sounds snobby, but all of the other suggestions come from 
>> people who haven't tried my way. 
>>
>>
>> I know, because I've tried them _all_, except for the toe-ring and the 
>> sacbut.  (I loved Mr Haney, but I 'd rather have another guy do the 
>> tuning slide and let me concentrate on playing.) 
>>
>>
>> I even still have some custom slides in the other room, for tuning my 
>> two valves to Eb and F, to play each note on a single valve to get the 
>> longest possible gliss. 
>>
>>
>> The SF way beats all of them.  A big single valve note that has a true 
>> gliss all the way up beats fake notes,, beats switching valves, beats 
>> lipping. 
>>
>>
>> Try it before you recommend something different.  If you don't have a 
>> flat E pull, then I refer you to our earlier discussion - just get one.  
>> You'll find yourself using it now and then.
>>
>>
>> RBH
>>
>>
>> Dennis Clason wrote:
>>     
>>> And then there's the Van Haney way.  Slick up the E-pull, and tie a 
>>> length of dental floss to it and a ring.  Pull the slide, slip the ring 
>>> over your left big toe, and pull the slide closed with your foot while 
>>> you move the hand-slide in.
>>>
>>> It requires that you wear slip-on shoes to the performance, and having 
>>> your foot well washed and powdered is probably a polite idea, too.
>>>
>>> But it works.
>>>
>>> Another way is to have a flat-E tuning on the second valve.  Hit the B, 
>>> do the first piece of the gliss with half-valving, then pull the slide 
>>> closed when you're on the F-side exclusively.  Of course, how many of us 
>>> have flat-E tunings?  I thought so...
>>>
>>> Dennis
>>>
>>> Raymond Horton wrote:
>>>   
>>>       
>>>> (Sorry I put first reply off - busy week here.) 
>>>>
>>>> I've posted this here before but it got no reaction.  This is the 
>>>> absolute BEST way to play the Bartok _Concerto for Orchestra_ Bass 
>>>> Trombone glissando without using an F bass trombone. 
>>>>
>>>> I believe that this comes via San Francisco, from our great tubist, 
>>>> Daryll Johnson, who had subbed there. 
>>>>
>>>> Grease your flat E pull extra slick (try Vaseline with a drop of valve 
>>>> oil on top).  You will need a cooperative tubist, and some practice with 
>>>> him/her.  (Tubist has to do this with tuba propped on his legs, ready to 
>>>> play , because he has to come in only a few bars later.)   Start with 
>>>> valve in flat E.  Tubist (sitting on your left) holds his two hands in 
>>>> place, ready to push your slide back in _during the glissando_.  Sounds 
>>>> crazy, but you won't believe how great this works.  The first time we 
>>>> did this, I laughed out loud, it was so good! 
>>>>
>>>> Try it - you'll never do it any other way again.  
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Raymond Horton
>>>> Bass Trombonist
>>>> Louisville Orchestra
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> james meador wrote:
>>>>   
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>>>> Getting ready to play Concerto for Orchestra in a few weeks, and since 
>>>>> there is all this talk about the gliss I'm just wandering what your 
>>>>> 'special techniques' are for playing the thing.  Luckily I have a flat 
>>>>> E pull on my Bach so I will be able to rig something up, but I am just 
>>>>> curious as to what trick you guys use.
>>>>>
>>>>> James
>>>>>
>>>>> ======================
>>>>> James N. Meador, Bass Trombone
>>>>> Orquesta Sinfónica de Yucatán
>>>>> +52-999-221-5845 cell
>>>>> +52-999-195-1144 home
>>>>> jamesmeador at hotmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>>     
>>>>>       
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