[Trombone-l] Bartok Gliss BEST WAY

[thetubameister@adelphia.net]

Not to sound defensive, but I've tried your way, and it jostles my embouchure unacceptably.  No one can move my slide without unpredictable consequences - for me, that is.

Your mileage may vary - to each their own, but there's only one wrong way - ticking off the conductor

And there's only one right way - get an F trombone.  And I think you can rent a double slide instrument from Osmun Music in Boston.

Lastly - anyone tried a pedal register gliss on and Olds or DEG F alto?  Just a thought...

J.c.S.

---- Raymond Horton <rayhorton at insightbb.com> wrote: 
> I know this sounds snobby, but all of the other suggestions come from 
> people who haven't tried my way. 
> 
> 
> I know, because I've tried them _all_, except for the toe-ring and the 
> sacbut.  (I loved Mr Haney, but I 'd rather have another guy do the 
> tuning slide and let me concentrate on playing.) 
> 
> 
> I even still have some custom slides in the other room, for tuning my 
> two valves to Eb and F, to play each note on a single valve to get the 
> longest possible gliss. 
> 
> 
> The SF way beats all of them.  A big single valve note that has a true 
> gliss all the way up beats fake notes,, beats switching valves, beats 
> lipping. 
> 
> 
> Try it before you recommend something different.  If you don't have a 
> flat E pull, then I refer you to our earlier discussion - just get one.  
> You'll find yourself using it now and then.
> 
> 
> RBH
> 
> 
> Dennis Clason wrote:
> > And then there's the Van Haney way.  Slick up the E-pull, and tie a 
> > length of dental floss to it and a ring.  Pull the slide, slip the ring 
> > over your left big toe, and pull the slide closed with your foot while 
> > you move the hand-slide in.
> >
> > It requires that you wear slip-on shoes to the performance, and having 
> > your foot well washed and powdered is probably a polite idea, too.
> >
> > But it works.
> >
> > Another way is to have a flat-E tuning on the second valve.  Hit the B, 
> > do the first piece of the gliss with half-valving, then pull the slide 
> > closed when you're on the F-side exclusively.  Of course, how many of us 
> > have flat-E tunings?  I thought so...
> >
> > Dennis
> >
> > Raymond Horton wrote:
> >   
> >> (Sorry I put first reply off - busy week here.) 
> >>
> >> I've posted this here before but it got no reaction.  This is the 
> >> absolute BEST way to play the Bartok _Concerto for Orchestra_ Bass 
> >> Trombone glissando without using an F bass trombone. 
> >>
> >> I believe that this comes via San Francisco, from our great tubist, 
> >> Daryll Johnson, who had subbed there. 
> >>
> >> Grease your flat E pull extra slick (try Vaseline with a drop of valve 
> >> oil on top).  You will need a cooperative tubist, and some practice with 
> >> him/her.  (Tubist has to do this with tuba propped on his legs, ready to 
> >> play , because he has to come in only a few bars later.)   Start with 
> >> valve in flat E.  Tubist (sitting on your left) holds his two hands in 
> >> place, ready to push your slide back in _during the glissando_.  Sounds 
> >> crazy, but you won't believe how great this works.  The first time we 
> >> did this, I laughed out loud, it was so good! 
> >>
> >> Try it - you'll never do it any other way again.  
> >>
> >>
> >> Raymond Horton
> >> Bass Trombonist
> >> Louisville Orchestra
> >>
> >>
> >> james meador wrote:
> >>   
> >>     
> >>> Getting ready to play Concerto for Orchestra in a few weeks, and since 
> >>> there is all this talk about the gliss I'm just wandering what your 
> >>> 'special techniques' are for playing the thing.  Luckily I have a flat 
> >>> E pull on my Bach so I will be able to rig something up, but I am just 
> >>> curious as to what trick you guys use.
> >>>
> >>> James
> >>>
> >>> ======================
> >>> James N. Meador, Bass Trombone
> >>> Orquesta Sinfónica de Yucatán
> >>> +52-999-221-5845 cell
> >>> +52-999-195-1144 home
> >>> jamesmeador at hotmail.com
> >>>
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