[Trombone-l] UrineTown

[Alisha Ard]

This confusion I believe is owed to a discrepancy between the  
conductor's score and the part.  The part (if I remember right) just  
says "Trombone" and then there are Euphonium sections indicated  
within.  But the conductor's score lists the doubles.  The composer  
must've thought we'd be able to figure out ourselves where it was  
tenor and where it was bass.  Boy, was HE wrong!

I'm glad to see so much time devoted to discussing this show.  Such a  
good one!  A snippet of exposition lyrics:

"I run the only toilet in this part of town you see, so if you gotta  
go, you've got to go through me.

"It's a privilege to pee.  Water's worth it's weight in gold these  
days.  No more bathrooms like in olden days.  You'll come here and  
pay a fee for the privilege to pee.
Twenty years we've had the drought and our reservoirs have all dried  
up.  I take my baths now in a coffee cup.  I boil what's left of it  
for tea, and it's a privilege to pee.

"The politicians in their wisdom saw that there should be a law:
The politicians taxed the toilets and made illegal public urination  
and defecation.

"So come and give your coins to me.  Write your name here in the  
record book.  The authorities will want to look if you've been  
regular with me, if you've paid the proper fee for the privilege to  
pee."

Huge corporate conglomerates controlling a commodity with constant  
universal demand?  Not just the stuff of farcical comedies!

Alisha




On Sep 19, 2006, at 9:18 PM, Josh Kane wrote:

> The show DOES NOT ask for a bass trombone double. It has a few  
> notes in the lower register, but they are notes that any tenor  
> player with an F attachment should have absolutely no trouble with.  
> Tenor players have no trouble with the F and E below the staff nor  
> do they have trouble with the pedals, so why shouldn't they be  
> equally as versed on the other 6 notes that the trigger allows us  
> access to?
>
> No need for a bass bone on this one.
>
> Josh
> On Sep 20, 2006, at 12:11 AM, ALEX ILES wrote:
>
>> Watch it, folks!! [especially those of you interested in playing
>> professionally!!]
>>
>> The professional freelance trombone community has traditionally  
>> gone to
>> great lengths to protect the bass bone as a double!!! Arrangers  
>> have to
>> be reminded that those notes are primarily for bass bone. This  
>> protects
>> the bass bone players [if they write those notes they should HIRE a
>> bass bone player] and it protects those tenor players who double on
>> bass bone.
>>
>> If they write trigger notes, they should pay for them.
>>
>> We have worked very hard to make sure pit shows productions  
>> respect and
>> understand the difference between tenor and bass. The "trombone
>> w/Fattachment" thing is giving away something many people before us
>> worked hard to establish and blurs the vital and important musical
>> difference between tenor and bass trombone.
>>
>> That is the main reason why studio players bring straight tenors to
>> recording sessions. If too many writers got used to seeing tenors  
>> with
>> F-attachments, they will start ASSUMING it's ok to write Eb's and D's
>> without EVER paying the double WHENEVER THEY WANT. One day, if they
>> write a REAL bass bone part, they will say, "well this other guy  
>> played
>> those notes on a tenor". The difference becomes blurred.The  bass  
>> bone
>> players suffer [not getting called for something they should be  
>> doing]
>> and tenor players lose the double.
>>
>> Also, by playing a show on one horn that was written as a doubling
>> chair,  [without realizing it, I know :-)] you are basically
>> undercutting everyone else who has played the show or will play the
>> show on two horns.
>>
>> Sure, there are a couple pit shows floating around with a Tenor
>> w/f-attachment designation....Sound of Music is one [that should pay
>> triple, IMO...you are playing horn parts, tuba parts and bass bone
>> parts!!]. But we should not GIVE IT AWAY if the show asks for a  
>> certain
>> double!!
>>
>> LX
>> ===================
>>
>>
>> On Sep 19, 2006, at 6:54 PM, Alisha Ard wrote:
>>
>>> My experience was the trombone/bass trombone doubling was fairly
>>> unnecessary.  Low E's and I think a couple C's are it for the bass
>>> end.  I played it all on a big tenor with an F-attachment.  The
>>> euphonium is used on just a few things - mostly slow and soft.  But
>>> there is some cute up-tempo stuff in the first act - just not too
>>> much of it.  But a great, fun show!
>>>
>>> Alisha
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 19, 2006, at 6:13 PM, <jkbone5723 at cox.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I played it a few months ago. Great music. I say go for it man.
>>>> It's fun. There is some real worthwile stuff in the show. I really
>>>> enjoyed it.
>>>>
>>>> Josh
>>>>
>>>> ---- Steve Carr <stevencarr at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>> Has anyone played the book(trombone/bass trombone/euphonium) for
>>>>> Urinetown?
>>>>>
>>>>> I just got a call to do a local production.  I interested in doing
>>>>> the
>>>>> doubling, if the music is interesting.  However, the bread is
>>>>> low.  So I'm
>>>>> trying to get all the info I can before I decide.
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks
>>>>> Steve Carr
>>>>>
>>>>>
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