[Trombone-l] Album you should get.

[Chris Tune]

In the tune list I meant to add that there were several Holman originals in 
addition to the fine standards.

Chris

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris Tune" <crtune at adelphia.net>
To: <thetubameister at adelphia.net>; "Raymond Horton" 
<rayhorton at insightbb.com>
Cc: "TromboneL Trombone" <TROMBONE-L at server5.samford.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 9:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Album you should get.


>I just got an album that I think is truly exceptional.  It is is and old 
>one
> (from 1958. . .year I was born).  Bill Holman's "Big Band in a JAZZ 
> ORBIT".
> . .could also be called "Bill Holman arranges and conducts a presentation 
> of
> BIG BAND JAZZ in a JAZZ ORBIT."
>
> The band is great.  These are classic Holman arrangements in STEREO
> (recorded in Feb. 1958--Eng. "Bones" Howe at Radio Recorders in 
> Hollywood).
> The band:
>
> Trumpets
> Al Porcino
> Ed Leddy
> Jack Sheldon
> Conte Candoli (replaced on some tunes by Stu Williamson)
>
> Trombones
> Frank Rosolino
> Carl Fontana
> Ray Sims
>
> Saxes
> Charlie Mariano
> Herb Geller
> Richie Kamuca
> Charlie Kennedy
> Bill Hood (and, of course Holman himself).
>
> Piano
> Vic Feldman
>
> Bass
> Buddy Clark
>
> Drums
> Mel Lewis
>
> Too bad they couldn't get anybody GOOD for this session!!  :-)   Tunes:
> "Kissin' Bug"  "The Man I Love", "Goodbye" (the Goodman thing) "You Go To 
> My
> Head" "After You've Gone" and Holman
>
> Frank and Carl and Ray each have solos.  Sims is playing, I believe, a 
> Bass
> Trumpet (it's definitely valved. . .I think I've seen him on bass tpt).
> Everything is simply great.  The arrangements, the playing. .the sound.
> This recording is available on V.S.O.P. #25CD (aka Andex A 3004). Once
> again, everything about this album is just STUNNING.  It is great!
>
> I guess you can tell I like it.
>
> Chris Tune
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <thetubameister at adelphia.net>
> To: "Raymond Horton" <rayhorton at insightbb.com>
> Cc: "TromboneL Trombone" <TROMBONE-L at server5.samford.edu>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 1:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Cimbasso or tuba?
>
>
>> Conn made the 90G, which was an 88H bell attached to a .562 euph valve
>> section with guts to tie them together.  The one I tried worked quite
>> well, as did the King 5B/.562 valve second version of the trombonium,
>> which was it's competitor.  Olds also made one based on the Opera.
>>
>> However, while I know some would feel uncomfortable on small bore
>> instruments, I think the small bore of the valve trombones would be 70% 
>> of
>> the point.  Small bores have their place, and their sound, and it just
>> might be a better idea for Italian Opera.  Tough to find out, though.
>>
>> J.c.S.
>>
>>
>> ---- Raymond Horton <rayhorton at insightbb.com> wrote:
>>> Thanks for posting that, Walter.  That paper looks like an excellent
>>> contribution to the discussion.
>>>
>>>
>>> On the other, related subject of instruments for the Italian opera:
>>> When the subject of valve trombones has come up, we immediately come
>>> back to bore size.  Symphony players often do not feel comfortable
>>> playing the valve trombones that are currently available because of the
>>> small bore.
>>>
>>>
>>> I once tried a (no-longer-available) Conn valve instrument that had the
>>> 8H bell soldered on it (looked like an alto horn - I forget - is that a
>>> flugabone?).  That seemed like it would be an excellent choice for a
>>> symphonic valve trombone, if it were available.
>>>
>>>
>>> Another possibility might be a marching euphonium or marching baritone.
>>> The former, which I have tried, may be too broad sounding, but I haven't
>>> tried the latter.
>>>
>>>
>>> Back in 1977 Per Brevig, then co-principal with the Met, told me that
>>> when Met conductors requested valve trombones the section played BASS
>>> TRUMPETS!  That is hard to imagine.
>>>
>>>
>>> Anyone had experience with valve trombones or other beasts in opera?
>>>
>>>
>>> Raymond Horton
>>> Louisville Orchestra
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Walter Barrett wrote:
>>>
>>> >On Sep 11, 2006, at 5:36 PM, d. sleeman wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >>Listmates,
>>> >>
>>> >>I have been asked to play the tuba part in Verdi's opera I Lombardi.
>>> >>
>>> >>Shouldn't that be a (contra)bass trombone or a cimbasso instead?
>>> >>
>>> >>Regards,
>>> >>
>>> >>Dick Sleeman, Lelystad, Holland. <d.sleeman at hccnet.nl>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >According to James Gourlay's excellent paper on the use of Cimbasso
>>> >in Verdi, the instrument most likely used in 1843 in La Scala would
>>> >have been ophicleide, so whatever gets you closest to that. Small F
>>> >tuba, cimbasso, even a euphonium can work.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >Walter Barrett
>>> >
>>> >"so does the sound exist somewhere in your head
>>> >and you try to find a brass funnel that fits ???
>>> >OR do you fit your head into the brass funnel
>>> >????????????? "
>>> > -DJ Kennedy
>>> >
>>> >Alto, tenor, bass trombones
>>> >Bass trumpet, euphonium, tuba
>>> >Yamaha Artist/Clinician
>>> >http://www.walterbarrett.com
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
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