[Trombone-l] Cimbasso or tuba?

[thetubameister@adelphia.net]

Conn made the 90G, which was an 88H bell attached to a .562 euph valve section with guts to tie them together.  The one I tried worked quite well, as did the King 5B/.562 valve second version of the trombonium, which was it's competitor.  Olds also made one based on the Opera.

However, while I know some would feel uncomfortable on small bore instruments, I think the small bore of the valve trombones would be 70% of the point.  Small bores have their place, and their sound, and it just might be a better idea for Italian Opera.  Tough to find out, though.

J.c.S.


---- Raymond Horton <rayhorton at insightbb.com> wrote: 
> Thanks for posting that, Walter.  That paper looks like an excellent 
> contribution to the discussion.
> 
> 
> On the other, related subject of instruments for the Italian opera:  
> When the subject of valve trombones has come up, we immediately come 
> back to bore size.  Symphony players often do not feel comfortable 
> playing the valve trombones that are currently available because of the 
> small bore. 
> 
> 
> I once tried a (no-longer-available) Conn valve instrument that had the 
> 8H bell soldered on it (looked like an alto horn - I forget - is that a 
> flugabone?).  That seemed like it would be an excellent choice for a 
> symphonic valve trombone, if it were available. 
> 
> 
> Another possibility might be a marching euphonium or marching baritone.  
> The former, which I have tried, may be too broad sounding, but I haven't 
> tried the latter. 
> 
> 
> Back in 1977 Per Brevig, then co-principal with the Met, told me that 
> when Met conductors requested valve trombones the section played BASS 
> TRUMPETS!  That is hard to imagine. 
> 
> 
> Anyone had experience with valve trombones or other beasts in opera?
> 
> 
> Raymond Horton
> Louisville Orchestra
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Walter Barrett wrote:
> 
> >On Sep 11, 2006, at 5:36 PM, d. sleeman wrote:
> >
> >  
> >
> >>Listmates,
> >>
> >>I have been asked to play the tuba part in Verdi's opera I Lombardi.
> >>
> >>Shouldn't that be a (contra)bass trombone or a cimbasso instead?
> >>
> >>Regards,
> >>
> >>Dick Sleeman, Lelystad, Holland. <d.sleeman at hccnet.nl>
> >>    
> >>
> >
> >According to James Gourlay's excellent paper on the use of Cimbasso  
> >in Verdi, the instrument most likely used in 1843 in La Scala would  
> >have been ophicleide, so whatever gets you closest to that. Small F  
> >tuba, cimbasso, even a euphonium can work.
> >
> >
> >Walter Barrett
> >
> >"so does the sound exist somewhere in your head
> >and you try to find a brass funnel that fits ???
> >OR do you fit your head into the brass funnel
> >????????????? "
> >	-DJ Kennedy
> >
> >Alto, tenor, bass trombones
> >Bass trumpet, euphonium, tuba
> >Yamaha Artist/Clinician
> >http://www.walterbarrett.com
> >
> >
> >  
> >
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