[Trombone-l] Trombone-l Digest, Vol 20, Issue 4

[Paul Kemp]

In my experience, the medium bore tenor has gotten a bad rap. Depending on
the situation, I'd have absolutely no qualms playing on a Bach 36. However,
the majority of my playing is done on the 42 or 42B. The beautiful thing
about the large bore instruments is that they can be playing with a number
of different mouthpieces and still get a characteristic trombone sound. I,
unfortunately, have not had that experience with the medium bore tenor.

I have felt for a long time that in a lot of smaller symphony orchestras,
the ideal trombone section would be the medium bore tenor or alto trombone
on principal, the medium bore or large bore tenor on second, and the large
bore tenor or bass trombone on bass. It all has to do with the literature
that is being performed as well as the size of the string section as well as
the size of the hall. 

I really do not wish to get on a soapbox concerning the sound of the modern
day trombone players, but in many cases clarity of articulation and clarity
of sound are sacrificed when the mouthpiece and the horn do not match. This
"bigger is better" syndrome, in my opinion, has done much to remove the
beauty of the trombone sound in many cases. 

My nickel's worth,

Paul Kemp   

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Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Trombone-l Digest, Vol 20, Issue 4

I don't think everyone's really against the large bore, but are looking at
this players situation in particular.

I play in Cleveland Orchestra's Band, the Blossom Festival Band.  It's my
best gig, bar none!  Steve Witser usually (if not always) sizes down a notch
in the lead chair.  I don't notice him "cutting more" per se.  But it's a
great section sound he leads, and a wonderful solo sound when he steps to
the front.  Other times in other ensembles, he's definitely NOT against the
large bore tenor.

This player is coming from a pea-shooter, probably with a familiar
mouthpiece, and a situation with far more playing than other classical gigs
- the Band.  I wouldn't bring my 42 to sit in that chair in that situation.
It's sound and situation and endurance.  And it's just my preference.

My $.02 

J.c.S.
---- Raymond Horton <rayhorton at insightbb.com> wrote: 
> I would stay out of this thread, But George asked about a "larger bore 
> horn" for more legit work, then everyone chimed in telling him to avoid  
> a .547 bore. 
> 
> 
> It is amazing that everyone here is so against the large bore tenor!  It 
> is certainly the horn of choice in my area for the players in local 
> concert bands and church groups, and the only horn to play in any 
> orchestral opportunities that might come up.   I'm tempted to say that 
> the good players here don't get a sound by "cutting through" but by 
> "singing through" with a good, rich sound.  I can certainly hear the 
> large bore trombones in the local community bands I've heard.
> 
> 
> George might want to see what the other players in the bands are 
> playing, I suppose.  But I vote for the large bore any time. personally.
> 
> 
> I would recommend a Bach 42, or look for a used Conn 8H, etc. the 
> usual.  A student found a great buy on a used Holton (forget model 
> number - has a 9-inch bell - but sounds nice).   And you might give the 
> F attachment a try, too - it really opens up the technique for you, 
> technique that you may find you need in the concert band world.  There 
> are some great convertible horns out there with removable F 
> attachments.  Another student has a convertible Conn (89H?) from his 
> high school that plays very well. 
> 
> 
> Raymond Horton
> Louisville Orchestra
> 
> 
> PrivtBnkr at aol.com wrote:
> 
> >Ditto to Wayne and others on the Spectacular Trombonists CD...One of the

> >best!
> > 
> >Now, I would like to get some input from the group on the following  
> >issue...We have recently moved to The Villages in Central FL, and my
playing  
> >opportunities have changed from strictly big band lead jobs to playing
with 2  Concert 
> >Bands, church groups and possibly some other venues as I get  acquainted.
> > 
> >I am using a Bach 16 tenor trombone, and it was suggested by a friend
before 
> >moving here that I might want to get into a larger bore horn for the
legit 
> >work...
> > 
> >The question is...What possible larger bore horns could I move to
(without a 
> >trigger) to accomplish this?
> > 
> >Any  thoughts would be appreciated.
> > 
> >George E.
> >The Villages, FL
> >
> >  
> >
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