[Trombone-l] Pomerov OT WARNING - politics

[Raymond Horton]

Chris,

What you are missing is what makes the Foley case so truly unusual - the 
extremity of his hypocrasy.  I do not know of a single other case in 
which a person may be tried for a crime under a law _which that person 
wrote_.  Foley co-wrote the act under which he may be tried: for 
soliciting minors over the Internet.  That is truly remarkable, when you 
think about it.

Barney Frank has been open in trying for fair treatment for gays.  If he 
had been persecuting/prosecuting gays, like cross-dressing J Edgar 
Hoover, then it would have been a story. (I don't know anything about 
the prostitution ring you mention, so I can't comment on that.)

If you are also talking about Ted Kennedy, his presidential future was 
ended, aren't you happy enough with that?  Most of the other cases are 
about equal to what Repulicans get away with, so I wouldn't push it. 

It's the hypocrasy that is the story this time (well, that and the sex) 
- the Republicans are supposedly the "moral" guys, but when Foley tries 
to pull this, the leadership isn't moral, it tries to sweep it under the 
rug.  Same old story.  That is why it IS a story. 

"It's vile, it's more sad than anything else, to see someone with such 
potential throw it all down the drain because of a sexual addiction."
 Rep. Mark Foley, on President Bill Clinton, in 1998.

RBH

Chris Tune wrote:

>I'm sorry list--It looks like my felllow TROMBONISTS don't want to get back 
>to practicing or studying the horn.   Oh well, since someone seems to be 
>accusing me, I guess I've got to respond.
>
>WHAT I MEAN:
>My philosophy would be equal treatment for equal infractions.  So the 
>journalist is right and proper in pointing out the wronfulness and hypocrisy 
>in the current scenario--Foley likely will be arrested and tried and THAT IS 
>FINE.  And indeed, that person has resigned in discrace already (just like 
>Packwood). . .that is not what is done when similar things happen on the 
>other side of the isle.  Look at Barney Frank for example.
>
>I then feel that the same journalistic community has not sufficiently called 
>for the resignation of those like Frank, who work on the D side.  Lets see, 
>we have a person who was allowed to go scot free on a Negligent Homicide/ 
>Manslaughter charge way back when. That person is now considered a 
>philosophical leader of the party.  We have a man who allowed (he has 
>admitted he knew. . .) a gay-sex prosti ring to function out of his 
>apartments.  And there are others.  The only Dem I can think of that had to 
>resign in shame was the Dan Rostenkowski from Illinois who looted the House 
>stamp fund.   Also, DNC chair Terry McAuliffe was caught in a stock scheme 
>with "Global Crossing" and the news was effectively "blacked out" . . .of 
>course the possible wrongdoing occurred before he became DNC chair. . .but 
>SO WHAT?  He got "immunized" by his later position.  THAT's the point.
>
>The journalistic community needs to do what they say they do, and what the 
>role is intended to. They need to investigate.  Regardless of who they are 
>investigating. Regardless of what the subject's politics are.  Now, at the 
>local level and in magazines, there ARE fantastic journalists who do this 
>all the time--I read their articles--I read their books.  My problem is 
>mainly with the editors of NATIONAL (or primary) news outlets, like CNN, the 
>Post, The Times, Reuters, AP and so forth.  They edit this stuff so that 
>flames of R guys just will not quit (example "deep six" Bob Woodward 
>admitting that Valerie Plame and CIA operations had not been compromised in 
>any way whatsoever. . .did that get on CNN?).  In our world the D dirt is 
>allowed to slip into oblivion as soon as possible.
>
>Once again.  There ARE fantastic journalists they just aren't running CBS 
>news. . .CNN . . .or the like. I stand by my position.  You've said nothing 
>to convince me otherwise.  I have my OWN TWO EYES.  and my own two ears.
>
>Also, you have not dealt at all with Koz.  Does he, or does he not ignore 
>the fact that the French are not puppets of the Americans.  Why?   Isn't 
>this just hyperbole?  Of course it is. . . .Don't you want to hold yourself 
>to the same standard you hold me??
>
>Chris
>
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>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "George Carr" <georgecarr at gmail.com>
>To: "Chris Tune" <crtune at adelphia.net>
>Cc: "Matthew Stoecker" <the_mighty_quinn at msn.com>; 
><daniel_pliskin at hotmail.com>; <TROMBONE-L at server5.samford.edu>
>Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 5:32 PM
>Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Pomerov
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>>>I think we know that this is being trumpeted (still on the FRENCH 
>>>guards?)
>>>out there, not by the R people. . .but "Rather" by the D people that are
>>>sometimes laughingly called journalists. . . even small children can 
>>>figure
>>>this out.
>>>      
>>>
>>So if a D person who happens to be a journalist decides to point out
>>the hypocrisy between chairing the committee on Children's Issues for
>>the entire country, and that same person seeking inappropriate
>>relationships with children, and then asking the person in charge of
>>committee appointments whether it was a wise committee appointment,
>>given his knowledge about the situation, that's biased journalism?
>>And if an R person who happens to be a journalist reported the same
>>story and asked the same questions, would you call them a fake R
>>person, or a bad journalist, or both?
>>
>>I can see how you might wonder why Ds are treated differently than Rs,
>>but that seems due in large part to Ds running on different platforms
>>from Rs.  Like "family values," which Rs often claim as exclusive
>>territory.  So when an R violates 'family values,' his fellow Rs have
>>to make sure they punish him in accordance with their campaign
>>promises.
>>
>>George 
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>>
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