[Trombone-l] Fw: Martin Committee model

Mon Oct 2 23:34:15 CDT 2006

I apologize for referring below to Dan Barrett as Dan Bartlett.

Richard Corliss

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Corliss" <rcorliss at charter.net>
To: "Chris Tune" <crtune at adelphia.net>; "Stan Brager"
<sbrager at socal.rr.com>; <thetubameister at adelphia.net>
Cc: "Trombone-L" <TROMBONE-L at server5.samford.edu>
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 12:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Martin Committee model

> Since I like the small bores for what I do and this Committee model was
> highly recommended I picked one up some time ago. I took it seriously for
a
> short time, and liked its dark tone, but did not stay with it very long. I
> prefer the slightly brighter tone of a II-B. It is by far the most popular
> small bore, and in this case I think reflects the quality of the
instrument.
> Dan Bartlett is a fine artist who uses an old Committee model that he had
> fixed up. He heads up a group in California called BED.
>
> Richard Corliss
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Chris Tune" <crtune at adelphia.net>
> To: "Chris Tune" <crtune at adelphia.net>; "Stan Brager"
> <sbrager at socal.rr.com>; <thetubameister at adelphia.net>
> Cc: "Trombone-L" <TROMBONE-L at server5.samford.edu>
> Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 1:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Martin Committee model
>
>
> > Notice to the LIST:
> >
> > How many of you have spent serious time playing a Martin Committee
model?
> >
> > I"ve just gotten my slide back from Chris Gonzales, and it is beautiful.
> > So, now I've got a very good 1950's vintage Committee Model to fool
with.
> > It is like the horn I started on (Conn 4H) a .484 or .485 bore horn.  A
> > "peashooter".  Nice thing, you can do almost anything you want on this
> > thing. . .
> >
> > I got this thing because I heard Hal Diner say that he really regretted
> > having sold his Martin Committee. He also told me a story about Milt
> > Bernhart having one that he was goofing around with (swapping slides and
> > leadpipes and so forth).  They are very well made small bore horns from
> the
> > 1950's . The design looks very much like the "Urbie Green" horn that is
> > still sold. . but it has a very small bell and is clearly a small bore
> horn.
> > But then, I LIKE SMALL BORE. . .why not?  You have to practice scales
and
> > patterns and all that,  why not have a horn that wants to do that?
Well,
> > you may not fill up an Orchestra Hall. . .well. . .duh!
> >
> > I'd get an 88H if I was trying to "Blastissimo" and Orchestra Hall. .
.or
> > maybe a Bach 42B. . .
> >
> > But, if I want to do jazz or dixie or casuals, this seems to me, to be
> > pretty damn good.
> >
> > It has a reasonably dark tone on everything, (considering it's
dimensions)
> > and is very easy to get notes out of.   I could see playing extensively
on
> > this horn. . .
> >
> > I'd love to hear any stories anybody has about these very old horns.
> > [trumpeters swear by the "Committee". . .this was Dizzy's horn. . .]
> >
> > Chris Tune
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Chris Tune" <crtune at adelphia.net>
> > To: "Stan Brager" <sbrager at socal.rr.com>; <thetubameister at adelphia.net>
> > Cc: "Trombone-L" <TROMBONE-L at server5.SAMFORD.EDU>
> > Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 10:41 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Dark Stuff
> >
> >
> > > Once a week?
> > >
> > > I missed that on the first pass. . .
> > >
> > > I'm not sure I can say that I do anything, except eat and sleep. .
.ONCE
> A
> > > WEEK. . . well. . . .anything "mentionable".
> > >
> > > CLEANING:
> > > Have I told the story about Lloyd Ulyate?
> > >
> > > Lloyd showed up at Bruce Belo's (master repair person. . .) with his
> Bach
> > > 8
> > > or 6.  He said:
> > >
> > > "I don't know what's wrong with this thing.  I've never had any
trouble
> > > with
> > > intonation, and now, I'm out of tune.. .it's really terrible"
> > >
> > > Belo did what he always does:  "clean out the tubes".  He looked into
> the
> > > tubes to see what he was cleaning out.  No LIGHT.  Held up to the
light,
> > > the
> > > tubes were black as the BLACK HOLE OF CALCUTTA.
> > >
> > > OK.
> > >
> > > A quick rinse out under the fawcet and he had relatively clean tubes.
> You
> > > can imagine the amount of whatever this YUCK is running down his
> > > industrial
> > > sink drain.
> > >
> > > [Belo has the right kinda shop "set up".  He's got an excellent shop,
> with
> > > every tool and all the typical useful things. . .Bruce repairs all the
> > > broken stuff for the entire Anaheim, CA school district.  I'm sure I
saw
> a
> > > typical utility sink in there. ]
> > >
> > > He gave the horn back to Lloyd and said"  Here. . .see if that did
> > > anything.
> > > "
> > >
> > > Lloyd played (I'm sure something gorgeous. . .)
> > >
> > > He was amazed.  ". . .What ?"
> > >
> > > BELO:  "When did you last clean out this horn?"
> > >
> > > ULYATE:" Gosh. . .I dunno. . .it coulda been a looooong time. . .
> > >
> > > BELO" Really. . .when do you think you cleaned it out last time?"
> > >
> > > ULYATE" Maybe in the 1960's. . . .it mighta even been in the 1950's
> > > sometime. . .
> > >
> > > [this is doubtlessly in the 1980's or 1990's. . .that is when Bruce
> really
> > > got going out here).
> > >
> > > Bruce still remembers this like it was yesterday.
> > >
> > > :0
> > >
> > > I clean my horn out much more often than this. . .maybe once a year.
> > > OK,
> > > sometimes even twice a year if I've been a bad boy and played right
> after
> > > eating a bit.
> > >
> > > Chris
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Stan Brager" <sbrager at socal.rr.com>
> > > To: "Chris Tune" <crtune at adelphia.net>; <thetubameister at adelphia.net>
> > > Cc: "Trombone-L" <TROMBONE-L at server5.SAMFORD.EDU>
> > > Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 10:11 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Dark Stuff
> > >
> > >
> > >> Chris;
> > >>
> > >> I thought algae required light in order to propagate. In any event, I
> > >> find
> > >> it only when I forget to clean the slides on a regular basis - about
> once
> > >> a
> > >> week.
> > >>
> > >> Stan
> > >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> > >> From: "Chris Tune" <crtune at adelphia.net>
> > >> To: <thetubameister at adelphia.net>; "Stan Brager"
<sbrager at socal.rr.com>
> > >> Cc: "Trombone-L" <TROMBONE-L at server5.SAMFORD.EDU>
> > >> Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 10:00 PM
> > >> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Dark Stuff
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> It 's gotta be organic.  Whether green, light green or whatever
> probably
> > >> has
> > >>> to do with oxidation (rusting) in the brass on the inside of the
> tubing.
> > >>> Algae may very well be what this stuff is primarily.    It seems to
> grow
> > >> in
> > >>> there even if you are very careful to not eat and play your horn.
> Then
> > >>> there is me--I just DON'T CARE.  And I get a pretty outstanding
bunch
> of
> > >>> this YUCK each time I clean.
> > >>>
> > >>> YUCK.  That is what I'd call it.  Really seems to suit the stuff.
> > >>>
> > >>> Chris
> > >>>
> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- 
> > >>> From: <thetubameister at adelphia.net>
> > >>> To: "Stan Brager" <sbrager at socal.rr.com>
> > >>> Cc: "Trombone-L" <TROMBONE-L at server5.SAMFORD.EDU>
> > >>> Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 5:45 PM
> > >>> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Dark Stuff
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> > "Trombone Yogurt"
> > >>> >
> > >>> > J.c.S.
> > >>> > ---- Stan Brager <sbrager at socal.rr.com> wrote:
> > >>> >> As I was cleaning my horn this morning, I pondered about the dark
> > >>> >> stuff
> > >>> >> which came out of the end of the tubes. Since there's not much
talk
> > >> about
> > >>> >> it, the dark stuff is probably not damaging to the lungs. But
what
> is
> > >> it
> > >>> >> exactly? Is it a fungus? or a colony of bacteria? is it the "dark
> > >> matter"
> > >>> >> between the stars? or something else?
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> Is there any scientific knowledge about the dark stuff?
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> Thanks;
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> Stan
> > >>> >> Stan "it hasn't killed me yet" Brager
> > >>> >> Trombonist-in-Training
> > >>> >>
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