[Trombone-l] "Tommy Dorsey Livin' in a Great Big Way"

Fri May 26 14:22:56 CDT 2006

That was last winter's Florida Beach book for me.

It's well written and way interesting!  You'll enjoy it.

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john burton 
Bach 50B3 
Bass Trombone, Charleston NeoPhonic Orchestra 
South Charleston, West Virginia 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: trombone-l-bounces at maillists.samford.edu 
> [mailto:trombone-l-bounces at maillists.samford.edu] On Behalf 
> Of Jason Smith
> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 9:52 AM
> To: Chris Tune; bone list
> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] "Tommy Dorsey Livin' in a Great Big Way"
> 
> cool im reading this book to I like it it's real fun
> 
> jason
> 
> --- Chris Tune <crtune at adelphia.net> wrote:
> 
> > RECOMMENDATION:
> > 
> > Get the new book "Tommy Dorsey - Livin' in a Great Big 
> Way", by Peter 
> > Levinson.  It is a great Bio of the TD life story.
> > I'm about 40 percent
> > into it and I'm loving it.
> > 
> > My good buddy Pat Chartrand is quoted in a few pages, so I had him 
> > sign the copy.  I won't sell this for several thousand. . .
> > (well. . .anyone
> > interested, let me know. . .Pat appears to be doing well after 
> > surgery. .
> > .).
> > 
> > Chris
> > See Dan's interesting message and my funnin' with him. below. .
> > crt
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Daniel Pliskin" <daniel_pliskin at hotmail.com>
> > To: <trombone-l at server5.samford.edu>
> > Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 5:11 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Leadpipe
> > 
> > 
> > >
> > > Clearly, the leadpipe isn't a venturi.  It is not
> > the most restrictive
> > > cross-section in the system.  That would be in the
> > mouthpiece.  It's also
> > > not used to control downstream pressure.
> > 
> > I guess the "Bard" had it right when he said that a
> > "rose, by any other 
> > name, would still smell as sweet. ."
> > 
> > Perhaps by a very stiff definition it is NOT a
> > venturi, but it appears to 
> > influence the overall behavior of the bone, and in a
> > way similar to what a 
> > venturi would do in, say a plumbing or "flow system"
> > arrangement.  Simply 
> > because something doesn't fit the mold, EXACTLY,
> > does not mean that a term 
> > has NO defining meaning.  CLEARLY, each different
> > location of a constriction 
> > in a leadpipe, each rate of angle of widening in a
> > leadpipe, seems to have 
> > an effect upon the performance of the horn.  So we
> > need to find a way to 
> > express that phenomenon.  The model of the
> > "venturi", which is likely a 
> > SIMPLIFICATION, has value in showing the physical
> > behavior of such a 
> > sub-component in a "system".  The bone is, in fact,
> > a rather elaborate 
> > "system" of interacting parts.  Look at the Shires.
> > . .all these CHOICES. . 
> > .what do they do?  The bell bead solder appears to
> > affect the sound.  The 
> > leadpipe affects the sound. . .of course the
> > materials affect the sound. . .
> > 
> > Every top-notch manufacturer, and repair genius I've
> > spoken to, always says 
> > EVERYTHING SEEMS TO AFFECT THE SOUND. . .
> > 
> > Oh well, I wish it were easier to make choices in
> > instruments, but it seems 
> > we are left with an "artist's choice". . .
> > 
> > > On the other hand, it's also not a leadpipe.  It's
> > not made of lead and 
> > > it's
> > > not just for lead players.  The lieder pipe, idea
> > at least makes sense, it
> > > does help make a trombone sing.
> > >
> > > So, we're left with that old assignment of finding
> > a new name for it.
> > >
> > >
> > 
> > HOW ABOUT "LEADPIPE". . .it will be easier to
> > remember and will recall the 
> > halcyon days when we didn't "think" so darn much. .
> > .
> > 
> > 
> > >
> > > Please, PLEASE, I do know about political
> > correctness.  I LIVED IN 
> > > BERKELEY
> > > FOR MANY YEARS.  But it is my general assessment
> > that women, who play
> > 
> > NO DOUBT, it is possible to RECOVER from having
> > lived in Berkeley.  My 
> > father went to UC Berkeley for years (. . .albeit
> > during the mid to late 
> > 1920's. . .Q: Did the "roaring 20's affect Berkeley?
> >  I would guess it did. 
> > . .) and he ultimately had enough sense, enough
> > logic, to think about his 
> > actions and his behaviour, and be a good citizen.  
> > I'm not sure that would 
> > be the case if he had "stayed" in Berkeley. . .but
> > that is another 
> > discussion entirely, and is colored by the rather
> > odd behaviour of Berkeley 
> > dwellers.  Please don't flame, I'm not assuming
> > anything per se, about the 
> > 'Berks' just noting the "Joie de vivre". . .
> > 
> > BELOW:
> > "Babes"?   . . .I'm pretty outspoken, yet I'm not
> > very tempted to call 
> > women, young or old, "babes".  I hear they prefer
> > more sedate terms (even I 
> > prefer something that allows for more maturity). 
> > You know, Pat Dane, racy 
> > wife of Tommy Dorsey for a brief period in the late
> > fourties and/or early 
> > fifties, said she married Dorsey because he was the
> > only man on the MGM lot 
> > who "was not a Centerfielder". . .she meant he did
> > not leap after her with 
> > all the gusto that we men are "known" for. . .In
> > other words. . ."cool it 
> > guys". . . it will all work out. . .Incidentally,
> > Pat Dane would most likely 
> > be categorized by current males as an "Uber-Babe".
> > 
> > She was very extroverted.  She and Dorsey both
> > claimed she had special skill 
> > in certain intimate acts. . .I hesitate to mention
> > it, except the stories 
> > are pretty legendary by now
> > 
> > > trombones, be they babes or not, have no
> > particular problem finding guys.
> > > Chalk that up to inexperience, on my part, if
> > you'd like.  In contrast, 
> > > male
> > > trombonists, play an instrument which is generally
> > considered un-cool, let
> > > alone that they have no money.  Gee, have I dug
> > myself in deep enough, 
> > > yet?
> > >
> > > DanP
> > >
> > We are fellow bonists, how can you be "dug in"?  You
> > may need a 
> > tongue-lashing if any of our female listers run into
> > you in the near future, 
> > but you will most certainly survive.
> > 
> > 
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