[Trombone-l] "Tommy Dorsey Livin' in a Great Big Way"

Fri May 26 08:52:03 CDT 2006

cool im reading this book to I like it it's real fun

jason

--- Chris Tune <crtune at adelphia.net> wrote:

> RECOMMENDATION:
> 
> Get the new book "Tommy Dorsey - Livin' in a Great
> Big Way", by Peter 
> Levinson.  It is a great Bio of the TD life story. 
> I'm about 40 percent 
> into it and I'm loving it.
> 
> My good buddy Pat Chartrand is quoted in a few
> pages, so I had him sign the 
> copy.  I won't sell this for several thousand. . .
> (well. . .anyone 
> interested, let me know. . .Pat appears to be doing
> well after surgery. . 
> .).
> 
> Chris
> See Dan's interesting message and my funnin' with
> him. below. .
> crt
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Daniel Pliskin" <daniel_pliskin at hotmail.com>
> To: <trombone-l at server5.samford.edu>
> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 5:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Leadpipe
> 
> 
> >
> > Clearly, the leadpipe isn't a venturi.  It is not
> the most restrictive
> > cross-section in the system.  That would be in the
> mouthpiece.  It's also
> > not used to control downstream pressure.
> 
> I guess the "Bard" had it right when he said that a
> "rose, by any other 
> name, would still smell as sweet. ."
> 
> Perhaps by a very stiff definition it is NOT a
> venturi, but it appears to 
> influence the overall behavior of the bone, and in a
> way similar to what a 
> venturi would do in, say a plumbing or "flow system"
> arrangement.  Simply 
> because something doesn't fit the mold, EXACTLY,
> does not mean that a term 
> has NO defining meaning.  CLEARLY, each different
> location of a constriction 
> in a leadpipe, each rate of angle of widening in a
> leadpipe, seems to have 
> an effect upon the performance of the horn.  So we
> need to find a way to 
> express that phenomenon.  The model of the
> "venturi", which is likely a 
> SIMPLIFICATION, has value in showing the physical
> behavior of such a 
> sub-component in a "system".  The bone is, in fact,
> a rather elaborate 
> "system" of interacting parts.  Look at the Shires.
> . .all these CHOICES. . 
> .what do they do?  The bell bead solder appears to
> affect the sound.  The 
> leadpipe affects the sound. . .of course the
> materials affect the sound. . .
> 
> Every top-notch manufacturer, and repair genius I've
> spoken to, always says 
> EVERYTHING SEEMS TO AFFECT THE SOUND. . .
> 
> Oh well, I wish it were easier to make choices in
> instruments, but it seems 
> we are left with an "artist's choice". . .
> 
> > On the other hand, it's also not a leadpipe.  It's
> not made of lead and 
> > it's
> > not just for lead players.  The lieder pipe, idea
> at least makes sense, it
> > does help make a trombone sing.
> >
> > So, we're left with that old assignment of finding
> a new name for it.
> >
> >
> 
> HOW ABOUT "LEADPIPE". . .it will be easier to
> remember and will recall the 
> halcyon days when we didn't "think" so darn much. .
> .
> 
> 
> >
> > Please, PLEASE, I do know about political
> correctness.  I LIVED IN 
> > BERKELEY
> > FOR MANY YEARS.  But it is my general assessment
> that women, who play
> 
> NO DOUBT, it is possible to RECOVER from having
> lived in Berkeley.  My 
> father went to UC Berkeley for years (. . .albeit
> during the mid to late 
> 1920's. . .Q: Did the "roaring 20's affect Berkeley?
>  I would guess it did. 
> . .) and he ultimately had enough sense, enough
> logic, to think about his 
> actions and his behaviour, and be a good citizen.  
> I'm not sure that would 
> be the case if he had "stayed" in Berkeley. . .but
> that is another 
> discussion entirely, and is colored by the rather
> odd behaviour of Berkeley 
> dwellers.  Please don't flame, I'm not assuming
> anything per se, about the 
> 'Berks' just noting the "Joie de vivre". . .
> 
> BELOW:
> "Babes"?   . . .I'm pretty outspoken, yet I'm not
> very tempted to call 
> women, young or old, "babes".  I hear they prefer
> more sedate terms (even I 
> prefer something that allows for more maturity). 
> You know, Pat Dane, racy 
> wife of Tommy Dorsey for a brief period in the late
> fourties and/or early 
> fifties, said she married Dorsey because he was the
> only man on the MGM lot 
> who "was not a Centerfielder". . .she meant he did
> not leap after her with 
> all the gusto that we men are "known" for. . .In
> other words. . ."cool it 
> guys". . . it will all work out. . .Incidentally,
> Pat Dane would most likely 
> be categorized by current males as an "Uber-Babe".
> 
> She was very extroverted.  She and Dorsey both
> claimed she had special skill 
> in certain intimate acts. . .I hesitate to mention
> it, except the stories 
> are pretty legendary by now
> 
> > trombones, be they babes or not, have no
> particular problem finding guys.
> > Chalk that up to inexperience, on my part, if
> you'd like.  In contrast, 
> > male
> > trombonists, play an instrument which is generally
> considered un-cool, let
> > alone that they have no money.  Gee, have I dug
> myself in deep enough, 
> > yet?
> >
> > DanP
> >
> We are fellow bonists, how can you be "dug in"?  You
> may need a 
> tongue-lashing if any of our female listers run into
> you in the near future, 
> but you will most certainly survive.
> 
> 
>
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