[Trombone-l] Fixing your own horn

[Eric Edwards]

Hi Jeff,  yes that is how most of us have acquired and expanded our skills.
BUT!

It's still not something that you can just "learn".

An example is me trying to solo over changes.
I've read books, played along with Jaime Abersol,  sat & listened to many
incredible players, and sat and played next to some great players.
But I still can't solo.

The real art of repair can't be fully learned, in my mind,  it has to be
there internally already.
I'm not sure how else to explain it further.

I'm sure there are a few people that can and do have the talent and do pick
it up. Whether it's jazz or  repair or programming computers.
But there are many more that just don't have the inherent understanding.



With all due respect.

Eric

Eric, Leandra, Sara, Jared & Lily
Edwards
"The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low
price has faded"

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Albert [mailto:jeff at jeffalbert.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 12:53 PM
To: Eric Edwards
Cc: Trombone-L; Jason Smith
Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Fixing your own horn

Eric,

That's not what Jason said.  read it again.  He said if you want to
learn how to do this, you should hang out with a repairman and
learn.  isn't that how you guys learn those skills?

Jeff


On May 4, 2006, at 12:25 PM, Eric Edwards wrote:

> Great.
> Another smart-ass know-it-all that thinks anyone can be a repairman.
>
> Sure,  buy a bunch of tools and you're a repairman!
>
> Why don't I just buy a bunch of scalpels and hemostats and I can be
> a brain
> surgeon!
>
> Give it a rest!
>
> Eric
>
> Eric, Leandra, Sara, Jared & Lily
> Edwards
> "The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of
> low
> price has faded"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: trombone-l-bounces at server5.samford.edu
> [mailto:trombone-l-bounces at server5.samford.edu]On Behalf Of Jason
> Smith
> Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 12:10 PM
> To: Daniel Pliskin; bone list
> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Fixing your own horn
>
>
> I think that fixing your own horn is a great
> idea.(insert tongue in cheek and laugh uncontrolably).
>  I have seen more instruments almost destroyed by
> (daddys) with vice grips or a screwdriver and too much
> ambition.  However,  there is no reason why any person
> could not be trained in the art of instrument repair.
> I would suggest to anybody that before you go out and
> buy a dent roller and a hammer to befriend your local
> or semi local repair person.  Offer to work in shop
> for summer repair season.  Watch the brass guys repair
> school horns.  Then if you are confident you can buy
> the tools needed to complete work and do a good job.
> Who knows maybe there is an opportunity for a side job
> to supplement income to pay for the rising cost of
> gasoline.
>
> Jason
>
> --- Daniel Pliskin <daniel_pliskin at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>>     Anyone able and willing to chat with me about
>> the feasibility of this?
>>>  There are plenty of damaged horns at the places I
>> teach that I could
>>> practice with, so my horn wouldn't have to be my
>> maiden voyage.
>>
>> There are various degrees of "fixing" a trombone.
>> It's very difficult to
>> get a trombone cherried out.  It's not that
>> difficult to push out a dent, to
>> the point where it looks OK, if you don't study it
>> too carefully.
>>
>> The one thing you do have to be careful about,
>> though, is making sure that
>> you don't do something that can't be made beautiful,
>> later, by a qualified
>> repair person.  Perhaps the biggest damage you could
>> create is to generate
>> or accentuate a crease.
>>
>> OK, the disclaimer is finished, let's go.
>>
>> Get a smooth steel rod, about 5/8 inch in diameter
>> and two feet long.  With
>> a grinder, round off the end, so that it's more like
>> half a ball.  Then
>> polish that ball end, so that it's quite smooth.
>>
>> Now, take that rod and hold it firmly in a vise, so
>> that it's horizontal.
>> V-shaped jaws help a lot.
>>
>> Hold the bell firmly in both hands with the rod
>> sticking into the bell.
>> Starting gently, rub the inside of the bell across
>> the cylindrical part of
>> the rod.  But also pay attention to where the rest
>> of the bell is.  It's way
>> too easy to dent another part of the bell, while
>> you're concentrating on the
>> first dent.
>>
>> I started you out rubbing the bell against the rod
>> very gently, because
>> trombones are very easy to bend.  And if you didn't
>> get any results that
>> would be better than if you pushed too hard and put
>> a new crease right next
>> to the old dent.  If you are getting results, keep
>> doing what you're doing,
>> until the dent is smoothed out.  If it's not working
>> for you, try pushing a
>> bit harder, as you rub the bell against the rod.
>>
>> And if you've been holding your mouth just so, the
>> trombone will be
>> restored, perfectly.
>>
>> DanP
>>
>>
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