[Trombone-l] Acoustics of brass instruments

[Chris Tune]

Also, this thread is REALLY, REALLY NOT about technology.  Acoustics is not 
a TECHNOLOGY.  It is a branch of PHYSICS.  It deals with understanding how 
sound works.  Since trombones make trombone sound, then they have a 
particular set of acoustical principles.  It is enough that this is true. 
It is possible to discuss this for the joy of understanding THIS.

You don't have to have this thread turn into some "HOW TO PLAY"  thread. 
That was not what it started as.  We were interested in how the darn thing 
works. . .just like someone might be interested in how a LEVER works. 
Doesn't mean they HAVE to go out and move something with the darn thing. 
They MIGHT just want to know about the principles.

This is done all the time by persons who are interested in acoustical 
principles.  What is so BIZARRE about that?

Once again, if you don't like the thread, don't participate.

Chris

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob and Deborah Shaw" <theshaws10 at cox.net>
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Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 10:05 AM
Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Acoustics of brass instruments


Not to nitpick, but I believe a micron is a millionth of a meter.

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:trombone-l-bounces at maillists.samford.edu]On Behalf Of sabutin
Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 10:43 AM
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Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Acoustics of brass instruments


Precisely.

S.

>--- Daniel Pliskin <daniel_pliskin at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>  A trombone IS a piece of high technology.  Manufacturers
>>  have been using the
>>  highest technology they could get their hands on since
>>  the beginning of
>>  manufacturing.  And so to bad-mouth technology and in the
>>  same sentence
>>  mention playing a trombone is ludicrous.  Just because
>>  you don't see the
>>  technology, doesn't mean it didn't go into the very
>>  instruments you play.
>
>Dan, I hate to burst your bubble, but I know how the
>instruments Sam plays are made, and we don't use all of the
>technology you think we do.
>
>Sure, we have CNC lathes and mills for the machined parts,
>but the slide tubes are checked by eye and straightened by
>hand - and I challenge you or anybody else to find a
>manufacturer (even Yamaha) who makes consistently better
>slides than Shires.
>
>All soldering, everywhere on the instrument, is done
>freehand, without jigs or pre-set forms. Why? Because a
>skilled worker given the time to do it right will make a
>better solder joint, free of structural stress. That's more
>important to the way the instrument plays than 100%
>consistency of form.
>
>Shires bell stems are hand-hammered, and have brazed rather
>than plasma-welded seams, and the assembled bell is
>hand-spun by Steve Shires. Plasma welding is essentially
>invisible, and there is such a thing as a CNC bell spinner,
>but Steve's considered opinion, after playing and working
>on thousands of instruments, is that the older methods
>simply sound better and more interesting.
>
>The larger manufacturers know this too, which is why
>professional models from Yamaha are advertised as having
>hand-hammered bells.
>
>Steve Shires' guideline on automated technologies has
>always been to look and evaluate whatever is available. But
>automation and consistency is and always will be less
>important than the ultimate playing characteristics of the
>instruments, and if he wouldn't rather play the new horns
>that come out of the factory over the Elkhart 8H on the
>stand in his office, then something has gone awry.
>
>Gabe Langfur
>Boston, MA
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