[Trombone-l] Leaving a horn on its stand

Chris Tune crtune at adelphia.net
Wed Jul 5 00:13:25 CDT 2006 

You know, 7th position being such a pain (and I'm 5' 11" tall, so I can only 
IMAGINE how nasty it must be for many with shorter arms than I). it seems to 
result in some sort of Karmic trade off.  You will be tempted to somehow 
eliminate the nasty long throw, but then you get the slide moving in a 
manner other than straight in and out in front of you.  That straight in 
front of you kinda thing really causes a beautiful "spacial" sort of 
orientation toward the notes we are playing. It is an asset that may be 
unappreciated until you don't have it.

This is one thing I really, really like about jazz improv.  You really need 
not move into one of these ultra-long positions unless you really see value 
in it.   Of course, If I see an abiding reason to get out a low B natural, 
then its seventh and that's that. . .

But I look at Dick Nash and Frank Rosolino playing jazz and I see stuff 
centered around 3rd and 4th positions.   I think they like to use fifth for 
middle Bb, they like to do their G's in fourth and so on.  You can do a 
heckuva lot using only 2nd through 5th positions and staying mostly above 
middle C.   Throw in an occasional break with moves to sixth or seventh or 
all the way to first and then use an appropriate technique (such as doodle - 
tongue or "across the grain" ) and then you have provided a reason to 
include the "outland" positions.   Of course it all really depends upon the 
key and the music and your imagination.

The fierce need for support of these positions comes from "written part" 
playing. . .admittedly, this is most likely the vast majority of all 
performance playing. . .however, let's not forget the extemporanous composer 
. . .the jazz improviser.  He/she is in the captain's chair regarding usage 
of logical position sets.   Of course these horns do look sort of romantic 
in a "rogue-ish" way.

Chris



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "If you want to be a 10,learn to be a perfect 1." 
<trbnplyr at bellsouth.net>
To: <trombone-l at server5.samford.edu>
Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 10:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Leaving a horn on its stand


> Larry Borden of the Nashville Symphony actually has one of these for
> nostalgia. It is a strange beast to say the least. The way that it is 
> angled
> actually makes the reach for 7th position quite a bit easier. I remember
> Shuman playing the Hindemith Sonata on a recording using this instrument. 
> As
> I recall it wasn't a very good recording.
>
> Paul Kemp
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: trombone-l-bounces at maillists.samford.edu
> [mailto:trombone-l-bounces at maillists.samford.edu] On Behalf Of
> thetubameister at adelphia.net
> Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 12:14 AM
> To: dslide13 at aol.com
> Cc: trombone-l at server5.samford.edu; sbrager at socal.rr.com
> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Leaving a horn on its stand
>
> Shuman made an angled bone.  See attached:
>
> http://www.dillonmusic.com/Used_Instruments/usedinstruments.asp?instrument=U
> sed%20Tenor%20Trombones&StartPos=75
>
> J.c.
>
>
> ---- dslide13 at aol.com wrote:
>> I played with Moody and the Dizzy Alumni last week at the Blue Note.
>> Moody told the story and then introduced the guy that was responsible.
>> I believe he's a dancer.  Do you know who it was?
>>
>> David Gibson
>> trombonist/educator
>> www.jazzbone.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Stan Brager <sbrager at socal.rr.com>
>> To: Tom Izzo <contrabasstrombone at yahoo.com>; Steve Carr
>> <stevencarr at comcast.net>; trombone-l at server5.samford.edu
>> Sent: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 12:43:39 -0700
>> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Leaving a horn on its stand
>>
>>    On the positive side of leaving a horn on the stage, is the story of
>> Dizzy
>> Gillespie. He was playing at Birdland and had rented the place for an
>> after-hours birthday party for his wife Lorraine. During the evening,
>> Diz
>> had to return home to do something. When he returned, he found that
>> somehow
>> the stand had been knocked down and the bell had been bent. It played
>> OK and
>> later determined that he liked the sound better with the bent bell. His
>> subsequent trumpets were all manufactured with the bell pointed upwards
>> at a
>> 45 degree angle.
>>
>> Has any trombonist ever tried this approach? On purpose or on accident?
>>
>> Stan
>> Stan Brager
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Tom Izzo" <contrabasstrombone at yahoo.com>
>> To: "Steve Carr" <stevencarr at comcast.net>;
>> <trombone-l at server5.samford.edu>
>> Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 8:56 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Leaving a horn on its stand
>>
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > --- Steve Carr <stevencarr at comcast.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > > do you have one for Tom Izzo?
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> > hahahahahahahahahaha Thanks Steve,
>> > Though I will freely admit, I do own a
>> > "multi"-Trombone stand (holds 7 Trombones), & is
>> > secure enough that even if only 1 Trombone as large as
>> > a Contra is on the stand it will not topple, & it
>> > still folds up.
>> > But I do have to watch it when used in public as the
>> > too-curious onlookers like to get too close to "see
>> > how it works".
>> >
>> > But seriously, as a multi instrumentalist full time,
>> > there are always at least 5-6 instruments on stands in
>> > my house 24 hours a day.
>> >
>> > Back to the original poster's question, I agree with
>> > Eric; you're going to leave one instrument on a stand
>> > for longer than a couple of hours, esp in the warmer
>> > months, put a rag/towel/cloth/etc on the stand
>> > particularly if you have a softer support top.
>> >
>> > YMMV.
>> >
>> > Tom
>> >
>> >
>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > From: "Richard E. Onofrey, Jr., CLU, ChFC, CFP"
>> > > <REOnofreyJ at comcast.net>
>> > > To: <trombone-l at server5.samford.edu>
>> > > Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 9:11 AM
>> > > Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Leaving a horn on its
>> > > stand
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > >
>> > > > I was also concerned about this, so I figured a
>> > > solution to the problem.
>> > > >
>> > > > I have 3 trombones and a trombonium, and my wife
>> > > was always concerned
>> > > about
>> > > > the number of cases and horns lying around (not to
>> > > mention music, mutes,
>> > > > stands, etc.).
>> > > >
>> > > > So I had a cabinet made for the storage of the
>> > > horns.  The cabinet is
>> > > about
>> > > > 6 feet tall, 2.5 feet deep and about 3 feet wide.
>> > > On one side of the
>> > > > cabinet is a space large enough to store all three
>> > > horns, and a music
>> > > stand,
>> > > > standing up.  Above that are shelves for the
>> > > storage of music, mutes, etc.
>> > > >
>> > > > The other side of the cabinet has a permanently
>> > > mounted trombone stand,
>> > > with
>> > > > enough room to put a trombone in and take it out.
>> > > This setup guarantees
>> > > > that the horn will be protected at all times - the
>> > > stand cannot fall over.
>> > > >
>> > > > Finally, there was enough space at the top to put
>> > > a shelf across the whole
>> > > > cabinet for storage of my trombonium.
>> > > >
>> > > > It's a pretty neat piece of furniture!
>> > > >
>> > > > If anyone would like pictures, let me know.
>> > > >
>> > > > -Rick Onofrey
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Nick Mahon wrote:
>> > > > > Now that it's summer and the horn usually stays
>> > > in the practice room,
>> > > > > I'm wondering if there would be negative effects
>> > > to leaving it on a
>> > > > > stand rather than putting it in the case every
>> > > night.  I use it
>> > > > > several times a day it it would be more
>> > > convenient to leave it set up.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Nick Mahon
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