[Trombone-l] Beethoven's Fifth and Koncert fur Violine

[Frank Darmiento]

Howard does raise some valid points, so here's a more
detailed review of the situation.  First, let me
preface this by saying that the octave down will work
for most community level orchestras as a reasonable
alternative.  However, here's the breakdown for the
first trombone part in the 4th movement of Beethoven's
fifth.

There are quite a few high Ds in the movement.  These
are important to make if you can.

Measure 41: the sustained high D is in octaves with
trombone 2, but is only doubled (in the high register)
for part of the measure by violin 2.

Measure 80: the high F is in octaves with trombone 2. 
The high F is doubled by Cl. & Ob.

Measure 430: the high E is in octaves with trombone 2.
 The high E is doubled by the Tpt., Cl. & Ob.

Also, there is a set of published parts which do
exactly what Howard suggests, i.e., switch all the
trombone 1 high notes with a trumpet.  However, if you
can't get a set of these parts then you're left with
doing your own editing, as Howard suggested.

My personal preference is to play the original part on
alto--sounds great.

Have fun,
Frank

--- Howard Weiner <h.weiner at online.de> wrote:

> At 11:25 22.12.2006 -0800, Frank Darmiento wrote:
> >Mark -
> >Regarding the violin concerto, I'm not familiar
> with
> >it.  Are you sure you're not looking at trumpet
> >(Tromba) parts?  The treble clef and the
> transposition
> >you mention sound suspiciously like trumpet parts.
> 
> Yes, it definitely sounds like somebody gave you the
> trumpet parts. 
> There are no trombones in the violin concerto.
> 
> 
> >As far as the fifth symphony goes, if you can't
> make
> >the high E & F just play them an octave lower and
> no
> >one will be any the wiser.  They're nice up high if
> >you have the range (and a nice light alto sound),
> but
> >they're in an ensemble part so the lower octave
> will
> >work fine.
> 
> I can't get to my score of the 5th right now, but...
> No. the lower octave will NOT work fine. If I
> remember correctly, the 
> first trombone is the only instrument playing that
> high f. In any 
> case, the high f is very prominent - and it would be
> even more 
> prominent by its absence.
> 
> I would suggest trading notes with the 2nd trumpet,
> who has a c but 
> can easily play the f - back in Beethoven's day this
> wasn't the case: 
> the natural trumpet in use at that time did not have
> a reliable f, 
> but a tone somewhere between f and f-sharp.
> 
> You can probably figure out a similar trade for the
> high e. (You may 
> have to ask the conductor to authorize these
> changes.)
> 
> Howard
> 
> 
> --
> Howard Weiner
> h.weiner at online.de
> http://www.harpa.com/howard-weiner/
> 
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> humanitarians eat? 
> 
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Frank T. Darmiento
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