[Trombone-l] Mahler 5 revisions

[Randy Campora]

The Mahler 5 version that you can get from Kalmus is the earlier 
version, so they are probably using those parts and have deleted some 
phrases that the conductor told them to leave out based on Mahler's last 
version, which I believe nowdays is only available from a rental company.

I don't have much of a memory of the differences in the tenor parts, but 
I recall that there are a couple of things that Mahler took out of the 
bass trombone part in the revision, such as four eightnotes leading into 
the loud sycopated accompaniment in the development section of the 1st 
movement, one muted above the staff thing with the tenors was taken out 
of the bass part, and in a fast, chromatic low passage some of the 
middle part of it was taken out so that just the basses are playing it.  
There may be other differences but those are the ones I remember.  I 
seem to remember that there were less differences in the tenor parts.

I usually use the Kalmus part and have brackets around the stuff that is 
missing in the revised version.  I have been known to sneak a passage or 
two in without getting the conductor's attention...  The bar numbers and 
everything else are all the same.

As I recall, Mahler did not add stuff to the trombone parts, just took 
things out to relieve the scoring a little bit.  A lot of folks don't 
know about the different versions, so it would be a good paper for some 
trombone person to write talking about the differences in the parts in 
the two versions.

Randy Campora
Baltimore

David Johansen wrote:

>List,
>
>The Baton Rouge Symphony is teaming up with the remaining member of the 
>Louisiana Philharmonic Orchestra for a performance of Mahler's 5th 
>Symphony on Wednesday night.  The trombonists from the LPO have certain 
>measures in their parts deleted based on some kind of a study of 
>Mahler's original score that doesn't include these parts.  Whenever I've 
>had the opportunity to perform this piece, I've never run into anything 
>like this.  Does anyone out there know anything about these deletions 
>and how the inclusions came to appear in the parts?  Their parts appear 
>to be from the same publisher as ours and their deletions are simply 
>penciled out.
>
>If you're in the area, this might be a performance that would interest 
>you.  All of the woodwind and brass parts are doubled and there are 
>about 130 orchestra members on stage.  We're performing at the River 
>Center (formerly the Centroplex) in downtown Baton Rouge at 7:30 on 
>Wednesday the 12th.
>
>The director has instructed us to follow the LPO's deletions, which is a 
>little disappointing since a handful of good licks are gone.  Any 
>insights about this would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Dave Johansen
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