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TROMBONE-L Digest 83
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) ITF 2004
by Pete Soukup <psoukup at mindspring.com>
2) Re: Bach 6 1/2 AL vs. Schilke 50
by "Harold Smith" <hsmith19 at austin.rr.com>
3) Re: Trip
by "Richardson, Timothy Mr. DAC 417 BSB DPW - ERMD"
<timothy.a.richardson at us.army.mil>
4) Doubling mouthpieces
by "Adrian Drover" <slide.rule at adios.co.uk>
5) OTJ Classifieds Update - 6/21/2004
by Chris Waage <chris at trombone.org>
6) Re: Trip
by Earl Needham <needhame1 at plateautel.net>
7) RE: Doubling mouthpieces
by "Paul Johnston" <pjohnsto at uafortsmith.edu>
8) Re: Bach 6 1/2 AL vs. Schilke 50
by "Raymond Horton" <RayHorton at insightbb.com>
9) Re: Bach 6 1/2 AL vs. Schilke 50
by Chris Waage <chris at trombone.org>
10) Re: ITF 2004
by Earl Needham <needhame1 at plateautel.net>
11) a couple of equipment questions
by Peter Collins & Sara Wilbur <sarapete at sympatico.ca>
12) Re: Bach 6 1/2 AL vs. Schilke 50
by Roger Hecht <rihecht at earthlink.net>
13) Re: a couple of equipment questions
by Mike Loewen <mloewen at cpumagic.scol.pa.us>
14) Re: a couple of equipment questions
by <richard.bartkus at cox.net>
15) Re: Bach 6 1/2 AL vs. Schilke 50
by Chris Waage <chris at trombone.org>
16) Re: ITF 2004
by "David A. Schwartz" <dschwar at bellatlantic.net>
17) Re: a couple of equipment questions
by Eric & Candice Swanson <swan325 at earthlink.net>
18) Re: Bach 6 1/2 AL vs. Schilke 50
by "Paul Kemp" <trbnplyr at comcast.net>
19) Re: interesting student
by Jackie Harris-Stone <bassboneladymail at yahoo.com>
20) Re: ITF 2004
by Dale Cruse <dale at dalecruse.com>
21) Re: Bach 6 1/2 AL vs. Schilke 50
by "Raymond Horton" <RayHorton at insightbb.com>
22) Re: Bach 6 1/2 AL vs. Schilke 50
by Simon G P Bailey <Simon.Bailey at uibk.ac.at>
23) Re: a couple of equipment questions
by "Raymond Horton" <RayHorton at insightbb.com>
24) Performance invitation for Texas and Lousiana musicians
by "Dean McCarty" <bassbone at gt.rr.com>
25) RE: a couple of equipment questions
by "Bob Koester" <bobkoester at msn.com>
26) Re: Bach 6 1/2 AL vs. Schilke 50
by "Bob Koester" <bobkoester at msn.com>
27) Re: Premiere performance of my new band, PanAmerica, Thurs. 6/17 at the ITF, Ithaca, NY
by Tom Izzo <contrabasstrombone at yahoo.com>
28) Re: [Fwd: Combo instrumentation?]
by Tom Izzo <contrabasstrombone at yahoo.com>
29) Re: a couple of equipment questions
by Tom Izzo <contrabasstrombone at yahoo.com>
30) Re: [Fwd: Combo instrumentation?]
by Earl Needham <needhame1 at plateautel.net>
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Subject: [TROMBONE-L:1013] ITF 2004
From: Pete Soukup <psoukup at mindspring.com>
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Well,
It's over. What a blast.
If you missed it, you missed something special, like seeing George Roberts
meet Edward Kleinhammer for the first time.
Like seeing Paul McKee in concert with Wycliffe Gordon, along with two guys
from Germany (who really were excellent) (Ingo Luis and Ludwig Nuss) backed
by the US Army Blues Big Band. Unbelievable.
Charlie Vernon, Nitzan Haroz, (The entire Philadelphia Trombone Section.
Awesome) Doug Yeo, Alistair Kay, the list goes on.
Doug Elliott playing his bent trombone because it was smashed in a car
accident on the way there. It played great, and so did he.
The Brazilian Trombones. Piedmont Trombone Society. (They totally ROCK)
Don Lucas, Jay Evans, Charlie Vernon and Ava Ordman as the American Classic
Trombone Quartet. Virtuosos.
But Nitzan Haroz in the final concert backed by the Army Field Band. No
words for it.
--
Pete Soukup
St. Andrews Brass Quintet
Grand Avenue Big Band
The Moonlighters
The Houndz
Naperville Area Trombone Ensemble
Bristol Renassaince Faire (with Izzo)
West Suburban Symphony (alternate)
DuPage Symphony (alternate)
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From: "Harold Smith" <hsmith19 at austin.rr.com>
To: <trombone-l at server5.samford.edu>
Subject: [TROMBONE-L:1014] Re: Bach 6 1/2 AL vs. Schilke 50
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 20:19:53 -0500
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Since mouthpieces are pretty much a personal thing, I hate to recommend =
something as an absolute. It would help a bit to know what kind of horn =
play as well.
I have been using Bach series mouthpieces since I started playing again, =
but I did promptly remove the 6 1/2 AL that happened to be in the case =
when I bought my 42B. I have tried a Schilke 51D, but it just didn't do =
the deal for me. I have also experimented with Bach 3 to 5 series on my =
42 and finally settled on a 5GS, and sometimes will use a 4G depending =
on what I play. Recently I ended up at a rehearsal and discovered that =
I had forgotten my mouthpiece pouch. I borrowed a spare that my friend =
had, a Giardinelli Symphony T. I've since purchased one of my own, and =
have found that it works really well for me. It is now my primary.
I use a Bach 1 1/2G as my primary on my Bach 50 bass. as I get more =
adept on the horn I am finding the need to expand to a larger mpc. I =
bought a Bach 1G. It works fairly well, but I am not where I can use it =
with any power. It tends to be a real lung vacuum. The mpc that can =
with my Bach 50 was a Yeo signature, Yamaha. Although it is similar to =
the Bach 1G, it proved to be way more mpc than I can use.
Well that is my 2 cents worth. Hope it helps.
=20
Harold Smith
Austin, Tx
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have been using Bach series =
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that happened=20
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it just=20
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3 to=20
5 series on my 42 and finally settled on a 5GS, and sometimes will =
use a 4G=20
depending on what I play. Recently I ended up at =
a rehearsal and=20
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spare=20
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one of=20
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my=20
primary.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I use a Bach 1 1/2G as my primary on my =
Bach 50=20
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expand to a=20
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From: "Richardson, Timothy Mr. DAC 417 BSB DPW - ERMD"
<timothy.a.richardson at us.army.mil>
To: Earl Needham <needhame1 at plateautel.net>, trombone-l at server5.samford.edu
Subject: [TROMBONE-L:1015] Re: Trip
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 09:11:28 +0200
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Earl,
I think he means Paris, Tennessee, as that is where the Eiffel Tower is,
clearly what Phil meant by "That one." See here:
http://www.paris.tn.org/eiffel2001.htm
However, I must admit that given 14 US cities named Paris, there is room for
confusion.
I think there's one overseas somewhere too, not sure.
Tim
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From: Earl Needham [mailto:needhame1 at plateautel.net]
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 19:46
To: trombone-l at server5.samford.edu
Subject: [TROMBONE-L:1010] Re: Trip
At 09:34 AM 6/19/2004, Phil Brink wrote:
>This is to let people know that I am taking a working holiday through July
>2nd. I am flying to Paris [yes, THAT one!] to perform as soloist with a
>local [Mount Prospect, IL] group as soloist. For further trombone content,
>I am premiering my band version of Kerry Turner's new Bass Trombone
>Concerto, written for me in 1999.
Let me know when you're going to be in Texas and I'll try to
arrange my schedule so we can meet. Would Dallas be all right?
:-)
Earl
Earl Needham, KD5XB, Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk
SETI at Home: 11631WU/7.55yrs
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From: "Adrian Drover" <slide.rule at adios.co.uk>
To: <slide.rule at adios.co.uk>, <trombone-l at server5.samford.edu>
Subject: [TROMBONE-L:1016] Doubling mouthpieces
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 09:20:53 +0100
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Does anyone make Bass 'Bone to Tuba doubling mp's? I guess my chops are =
not as flexible as they used to be.
A.
Adrian Drover
ADIOS, Scotland www.adios.co.uk
Personal email: adrian at adios.co.uk
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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href=3D"http://www.adios.co.uk">www.adios.co.uk</A><BR>Personal email: =
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Subject: [TROMBONE-L:1017] OTJ Classifieds Update - 6/21/2004
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Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.2.20040621070841.026c1a70 at email.plateautel.net>
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 07:10:56 -0700
To: TROMBONE-L at server5.samford.edu
From: Earl Needham <needhame1 at plateautel.net>
Subject: [TROMBONE-L:1018] Re: Trip
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At 12:11 AM 6/21/2004, Richardson, Timothy Mr. DAC 417 BSB DPW - ERMD wrote:
>Earl,
>
>I think he means Paris, Tennessee, as that is where the Eiffel Tower is,
>clearly what Phil meant by "That one." See here:
>http://www.paris.tn.org/eiffel2001.htm
I must disagree -- see his quote:
At 09:34 AM 6/19/2004, Phil Brink wrote:
>This is to let people know that I am taking a working holiday through July
>2nd. I am flying to Paris [yes, THAT one!]
Obviously, when he says "[yes, THAT one!]", it has to be in Texas!
"Never ask a man where he's from. If he's from Texas, he'll tell
you, and if he isn't, it doesn't matter."
<G>
Earl
Earl Needham, KD5XB, Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk
SETI at Home: 11632WU/7.55yrs
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From: "Paul Johnston" <pjohnsto at uafortsmith.edu>
To: <slide.rule at adios.co.uk>, <trombone-l at server5.samford.edu>
Subject: [TROMBONE-L:1019] RE: Doubling mouthpieces
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 09:36:21 -0500
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Doug Elliot. That is what I am using. The Bass Bone rim with a Tuba
depth cup and shank. Use the same rim on my main Bass Bone setup.
Use all LB series parts. The rim is a MW112, with a J cup with J8 shank
for the bone, and a P cup with a P2 shank for tuba.
Paul
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Paul Johnston
Bass Trombone - Fort Smith Symphony
Bass Trombone - North Arkansas Symphony
blkbltbone at earthlink.net
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From: owner-TROMBONE-L at server5.samford.edu
[mailto:owner-TROMBONE-L at server5.samford.edu] On Behalf Of Adrian Drover
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 3:21 AM
To: slide.rule at adios.co.uk; trombone-l at server5.samford.edu
Subject: [TROMBONE-L:1016] Doubling mouthpieces
Does anyone make Bass 'Bone to Tuba doubling mp's? I guess my chops are
not as flexible as they used to be.
A.
Adrian Drover
ADIOS, Scotland www.adios.co.uk
Personal email: adrian at adios.co.uk
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class=3D053203014-21062004>Doug=20
Elliot. That is what I am using. The Bass Bone rim with a =
Tuba depth=20
cup and shank. Use the same rim on my main Bass Bone=20
setup.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D053203014-21062004>Use=20
all LB series parts. The rim is a MW112, with a J cup with J8 =
shank=20
for the bone, and a P cup with a P2 shank for tuba.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D053203014-21062004></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D053203014-21062004>Paul</SPAN></FONT><FONT><SPAN=20
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color=3D#0000ff>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~</FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT></=
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<DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma><FONT size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D053203014-21062004><FONT=20
face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff>Paul =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma><FONT size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D053203014-21062004><FONT=20
face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff>Bass Trombone - Fort=20
Smith Symphony</FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma><FONT size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D053203014-21062004><FONT=20
face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff>Bass Trombone - North Arkansas=20
Symphony</FONT> </SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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class=3D053203014-21062004><A=20
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Drover<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June 21, 2004 3:21 AM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Adrian Drover<BR>ADIOS, Scotland <A=20
href=3D"http://www.adios.co.uk">www.adios.co.uk</A><BR>Personal email: =
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 11:25:50 -0400
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Harold, I was never able to get a Bach 1G to work for me. I feel that =
it does not have enough of a throat, that it flares out too much, too =
quickly. I know others agree with me. I used a Doug Elliott 114K8, =
which has the same or virtually the same rim, for many years and would =
highly recommend that you try one.along with some of the other Doug =
Elliott variations. The 114K8 is shallower than both the Bach 1G and the =
Yeo, and is much more controllable. =20
I cut my Bach 1G into a rim for buzzing on the horn (then I lost it - =
such is life).
If the Yeo is too deep, but you like the rim size, the DE 114K8 would be =
a good bet for you. Doug will send you a few on a trial basis. =20
Actually, there is quite a jump from a 1 1/2 to a 1. In between is a =
Bach 1 1/4G and GM. Another one you could try, larger than a 1 1/4 but =
smaller than the ones you are struggling with, would be a Schilke 59. =
You could pick up a used one of those quite inexpensively most weeks on =
the OnLine Trombone Journal. (Come to think of it, I have both a 1/4G =
and a 59 wasting space here. Both are old but in good condition. Make =
me an offer and I may consider it...)
Ray Horton
Bass Trombonist
Louisville Orchestra
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Harold Smith=20
To: trombone-l at server5.samford.edu=20
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 9:19 PM
Subject: [TROMBONE-L:1014] Re: Bach 6 1/2 AL vs. Schilke 50
Since mouthpieces are pretty much a personal thing, I hate to =
recommend something as an absolute. It would help a bit to know what =
kind of horn play as well.
...
I use a Bach 1 1/2G as my primary on my Bach 50 bass. as I get more =
adept on the horn I am finding the need to expand to a larger mpc. I =
bought a Bach 1G. It works fairly well, but I am not where I can use it =
with any power. It tends to be a real lung vacuum. The mpc that can =
with my Bach 50 was a Yeo signature, Yamaha. Although it is similar to =
the Bach 1G, it proved to be way more mpc than I can use.
Well that is my 2 cents worth. Hope it helps.
=20
Harold Smith
Austin, Tx
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Harold, I was </FONT><FONT =
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that it=20
does not have enough of a throat, that it flares out too much, too=20
quickly. I know others agree with me. I used a Doug Elliott =
114K8,=20
which has the same or virtually the same rim, for many years and would =
highly=20
recommend that you try one.along with some of the other Doug Elliott =
variations.=20
The 114K8 is shallower than both the Bach 1G and the Yeo, and is =
much more=20
controllable. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I cut my Bach 1G into a rim for =
buzzing on the=20
horn (then I lost it - such is life).</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If the Yeo is too deep, but you like =
the rim size,=20
the DE 114K8 would be a good bet for you. Doug will send you a few =
on a=20
trial basis. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Actually, there is quite a jump from a =
1 1/2 to a=20
1. In between is a Bach 1 1/4G and GM. Another one you =
could=20
try, larger than a 1 1/4 but smaller than the ones you are struggling =
with,=20
would be a Schilke 59. You could pick up a used one of those =
quite=20
inexpensively most weeks on the OnLine Trombone Journal. (Come to =
think of=20
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but in=20
good condition. Make me an offer and I may consider=20
it...)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Ray Horton</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Bass Trombonist</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Louisville Orchestra</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, June 20, 2004 =
9:19 PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [TROMBONE-L:1014] Re: =
Bach 6 1/2=20
AL vs. Schilke 50</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Since mouthpieces are pretty much a =
personal=20
thing, I hate to recommend something as an absolute. It would =
help a bit=20
to know what kind of horn play as well.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I use a Bach 1 1/2G as my primary on =
my Bach 50=20
bass. as I get more adept on the horn I am finding the need to =
expand to=20
a larger mpc. I bought a Bach 1G. It works fairly =
well, but I=20
am not where I can use it with any power. It tends to be a real =
lung=20
vacuum. The mpc that can with my Bach 50 was a Yeo signature,=20
Yamaha. Although it is similar to the Bach 1G, it proved to =
be way=20
more mpc than I can use.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Well that is my 2 cents worth. Hope =
it=20
helps.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Harold Smith<BR>Austin, =
Tx</FONT></DIV>
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 10:43:44 -0500
Subject: [TROMBONE-L:1021] Re: Bach 6 1/2 AL vs. Schilke 50
From: Chris Waage <chris at trombone.org>
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If you=B9re considering a change, simply find one as cheap as you can and use
it for a few weeks. Use it exclusively for that time, then switch back to
the original mouthpiece for two weeks.
Play in as many situations as possible =AD different rooms, ensembles, etc. -
because a mouthpiece that might feel great in a practice room can suck wind
in a performance situation.
After the month of trial, you=B9ll be able to tell which worked better.
However, it has to be at least two weeks of daily use, or the formula
doesn=B9t work. By going for two weeks, you can get away from the =B3Wow! Thi=
s
feels really good!=B2 initial impression to see if the =B3Wow!=B2 stays.
A Bach 6-1/2AL to a Schilke 50 shouldn=B9t be a major adjustment, other than
the differences in the backbores. Sometimes the Schilke backbores on their
tenor trombone mouthpieces seem to be quite a bit tighter than the
corresponding Bach.
If you=B9re happy with the overall response of the 6-1/2AL but find the rim
uncomfortable, try a few different older 6-1/2ALs. Avoid the ones with
VINCENT BACH CORPORATION in caps, because this is the most recent
production which is produced on a computer-controlled lathe. The older one=
s
sometimes would vary greatly because of wear on the form used in the lathe.
Over the years I have owned five different Bach 5Gs, and they ranged from
1.00=B2 in inside diameter to 1.03=B2. All were original, unaltered factory
mouthpieces.
My $0.0125
Chris
--=20
Chris Waage, Bass Trombonist
The Online Trombone Journal
www. trombone.org
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s. Use it exclusively for that time, then switch back to the original =
mouthpiece for two weeks.<BR>
<BR>
Play in as many situations as possible – different rooms, ensembles, =
etc. - because a mouthpiece that might feel great in a practice room can suc=
k wind in a performance situation.<BR>
<BR>
After the month of trial, you’ll be able to tell which worked better.=
However, it has to be at least two weeks of daily use, or the formula=
doesn’t work. By going for two weeks, you can get away from the=
“Wow! This feels really good!” initial impression to see =
if the “Wow!” stays.<BR>
<BR>
A Bach 6-1/2AL to a Schilke 50 shouldn’t be a major adjustment, other=
than the differences in the backbores. Sometimes the Schilke backbore=
s on their tenor trombone mouthpieces seem to be quite a bit tighter than th=
e corresponding Bach. <BR>
<BR>
If you’re happy with the overall response of the 6-1/2AL but find the=
rim uncomfortable, try a few different older 6-1/2ALs. Avoid the ones=
with VINCENT BACH CORPORATION in caps, because this is the most recen=
t production which is produced on a computer-controlled lathe. The old=
er ones sometimes would vary greatly because of wear on the form used in the=
lathe. Over the years I have owned five different Bach 5Gs, and they =
ranged from 1.00” in inside diameter to 1.03”. All were or=
iginal, unaltered factory mouthpieces.<BR>
<BR>
My $0.0125<BR>
<BR>
Chris<BR>
<BR>
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The Online Trombone Journal<BR>
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 09:50:24 -0700
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From: Earl Needham <needhame1 at plateautel.net>
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At 03:07 PM 6/20/2004, Pete Soukup wrote:
>Well,
>
>It's over. What a blast.
Oh how I wanted to be there! And couldn't. But my oldest son
made it and I felt just wonderful hearing him talk about seeing Mr.
Kleinhammer and meeting Mr. Bass Trombone -- er, I mean, Mr. Roberts.
Oh GEEZ! I wish I could have been there!
Earl
Earl Needham, KD5XB, Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk
SETI at Home: 11632WU/7.55yrs
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From: Peter Collins & Sara Wilbur <sarapete at sympatico.ca>
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Hi all,
I have a couple of questions for the vast knowledge of the list out
there:
1. Does anybody know if there is such a mute as a solotone for bass
trombone? Does anybody have one for sale?
2. Are there metal linkages available for a standard, independant
Edwards bass trombone? I have the original plastic linkages but want to
make some improvements to my horn eventually and was wondering about
metal linkages. Would this be a total custom job?
Thank you very much for your time.
Peter Collins
Bass Trombone
Hamilton Philharmonic Orchestra
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 11:58:26 -0400
To: Trombone-L <trombone-l at server5.samford.edu>
From: Roger Hecht <rihecht at earthlink.net>
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>If you re happy with the overall response of the 6-1/2AL but find the rim
>uncomfortable, try a few different older 6-1/2ALs. Avoid the ones with
>VINCENT BACH CORPORATION in caps, because this is the most recent
>production which is produced on a computer-controlled lathe. The older
>ones sometimes would vary greatly because of wear on the form used in the
>lathe. Over the years I have owned five different Bach 5Gs, and they
>ranged from 1.00 in inside diameter to 1.03 . All were original,
>unaltered factory mouthpieces.
>
>Chris
>
>
The above mostly makes sense. I have had several "signature" Bachs, i.e.,
one of a kind 5Gs, etc. I also don't like the new ones with the capital
letters. If I were going Bach, I'd do as you suggest.
My only question refers to your citing of the computer-controlled lathe, as
if that were in itself a problem. I can easily recognize the advangages of
hand-done tooling under strictkly controlled implementation, but is there
something inherently wrong with computer-controlled lathes?
Roger Hecht
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 13:47:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mike Loewen <mloewen at cpumagic.scol.pa.us>
To: "Trombones and related issues forum." <TROMBONE-L at server5.samford.edu>
Subject: [TROMBONE-L:1025] Re: a couple of equipment questions
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On Mon, 21 Jun 2004, Peter Collins & Sara Wilbur wrote:
> 1. Does anybody know if there is such a mute as a solotone for bass
> trombone? Does anybody have one for sale?
Back in February, I needed one for a show and wasn't able to find any
for bass trombone. I ended up buying a Humes and Berg model 153 Cleartone
(Solotone) for tenor, and adding another layer of cork to get it to fit.
It played almost a half step sharp, but it worked. The tenor player's
Shastock solotone had the same problem.
Mike Loewen mloewen at cpumagic.scol.pa.us
The Dixie Lion Jazz Band http://ripsaw.cac.psu.edu/dixie.html
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To: TROMBONE-L at server5.samford.edu
Subject: [TROMBONE-L:1026] Re: a couple of equipment questions
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 13:57:50 -0400
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Solotone/Cleartone mutes are notoriously sharp. It's nice that our instrument is basically a giant slide whistle and we can adjust the positions for such flaws in pitch. I have gotten so used to adjusting positions for "Song of India" that I have to really listen when I play the solo open.
Richard Bartkus
>
> From: Mike Loewen <mloewen at cpumagic.scol.pa.us>
> Date: 2004/06/21 Mon PM 01:47:11 EDT
> To: "Trombones and related issues forum." <TROMBONE-L at server5.samford.edu>
> Subject: [TROMBONE-L:1025] Re: a couple of equipment questions
>
> On Mon, 21 Jun 2004, Peter Collins & Sara Wilbur wrote:
>
> > 1. Does anybody know if there is such a mute as a solotone for bass
> > trombone? Does anybody have one for sale?
>
> Back in February, I needed one for a show and wasn't able to find any
> for bass trombone. I ended up buying a Humes and Berg model 153 Cleartone
> (Solotone) for tenor, and adding another layer of cork to get it to fit.
> It played almost a half step sharp, but it worked. The tenor player's
> Shastock solotone had the same problem.
>
>
> Mike Loewen mloewen at cpumagic.scol.pa.us
> The Dixie Lion Jazz Band http://ripsaw.cac.psu.edu/dixie.html
>
>
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 13:05:40 -0500
Subject: [TROMBONE-L:1027] Re: Bach 6 1/2 AL vs. Schilke 50
From: Chris Waage <chris at trombone.org>
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>> If you re happy with the overall response of the 6-1/2AL but find the rim
>> uncomfortable, try a few different older 6-1/2ALs. Avoid the ones with
>> VINCENT BACH CORPORATION in caps, because this is the most recent
>> production which is produced on a computer-controlled lathe. The older
>> ones sometimes would vary greatly because of wear on the form used in the
>> lathe. Over the years I have owned five different Bach 5Gs, and they
>> ranged from 1.00 in inside diameter to 1.03 . All were original,
>> unaltered factory mouthpieces.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
On 6/21/04 10:58 AM, "Roger Hecht" <rihecht at earthlink.net> smote the
keyboard with:
>
> The above mostly makes sense. I have had several "signature" Bachs, i.e.,
> one of a kind 5Gs, etc. I also don't like the new ones with the capital
> letters. If I were going Bach, I'd do as you suggest.
>
> My only question refers to your citing of the computer-controlled lathe, as
> if that were in itself a problem. I can easily recognize the advangages of
> hand-done tooling under strictkly controlled implementation, but is there
> something inherently wrong with computer-controlled lathes?
> Roger Hecht
>
>
Aw, shoot - you were supposed to read my mind on this - I was discussing the
ones that are different, and the ones created on the computer-controlled
lathe should all feel exactly the same. The older ones will have more
variation in the rim size and profile, since the ones made on the
computer-controlled machine should have no variation whatsoever.
d'oh!
Chris
--
Chris Waage, Bass Trombonist
The Online Trombone Journal
www. trombone.org
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 14:11:16 -0400
From: "David A. Schwartz" <dschwar at bellatlantic.net>
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Earl Needham wrote:
> At 03:07 PM 6/20/2004, Pete Soukup wrote:
>
>> Well,
>>
>> It's over. What a blast.
>
>
> Oh how I wanted to be there! And couldn't. But my oldest son
> made it and I felt just wonderful hearing him talk about seeing Mr.
> Kleinhammer and meeting Mr. Bass Trombone -- er, I mean, Mr. Roberts.
Lucky me. I got to take my younger son there.
Someone pointed to Mr. Roberts sitting behind the Kanstul display.
Andrew and I sat down with him for a conversation. Warm, cordial,
positive, and happy. The next day, at the start of another
conversation, and he greeted us like old friends.
During the first conversation with Mr. Roberts I noticed Douglas Yeo and
Tom Everett (both of whom live nearby, in Lexington, Massachusetts) had
walked into the room and were somewhere near the Hickey's, Ergobone, and
John Stork booths. I said to Mr. Roberts, "There are Doug Yeo and Tom
Everett," and pointed them out. Immediately he got up, leaving his
walker behind, and went over to hug both guys.
ITF was extra special for me. I got to meet for the first time lots of
trombone pro's and prof's to whom I've been sending my Bordogni
play-along books and my "Breakfast" intonation practice play-along
booklet. Most have been supportive in their emails, but it's nice,
really nice, to see enthusiasm in their smiles, especially Art Jennings,
James Scott, Mark Kellogg, Jan Kagarice, Robert Lindahl, George
Broussard, Brad Edwards, Tom Gibson, Chuck DePaolo, and Charlie Vernon.
It was also fun to meet Denis Wick, Buddy Baker, Dee Stewart, and Edward
Kleinhammer (and to feel like they'd given me something in accepting my
samples!).
Friday night Late Night Jazz featured the Piedmont Trombone Society and
the young winner of the Frank Rosolino Competition. Michael Dease was
nice enough to share the stage with his Julliard colleague, runner up
Willie Applewhite. Both played exquisite solos, fabulous. Each
listened attentively to the other. The tension in their listening faces
eased into big smiles when their teacher, Wycliffe Gordon took the
stand, his solo showing everyone that his kids had a ways to go.
Midnight back in the dorm and nine attendees hadn't had enough. A group
inspired by Tom Izzo's and his contra played Jeremy Kempton's ensemble
music until nearly three A.M. Three hours sleep was plenty. There
would be no problem waking up in time to hear Messrs. Kleinheimer and
Roberts early Saturday!
David Schwartz
http://www.nyx.net/~dschwart/
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 13:18:59 -0600
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Peter Collins & Sara Wilbur wrote:
>1. Does anybody know if there is such a mute as a solotone for bass
>trombone? Does anybody have one for sale?
>
I also played a show that called for Solotone mute for bass trombone. I
searched all over and could not find anything close. Humes and Berg,
who make the red and white "Stonelined" mutes, make what they call the
"Cleartone" mute that we all accept to be the Solotone nowadays. They
do not make the "Cleartone" for bass trombone, just one size--small bore
tenor. I just told the conductor that there was no such mute, and he
said to use straight, no big deal.
>
>2. Are there metal linkages available for a standard, independent
>Edwards bass trombone? ...Would this be a total custom job?
>
>
>
Yes, I think this would be a custom job. Gary Greenhoe, some time ago,
offered to sell the metal linkages he uses. You might contact him if
that's the type linkage you are looking for.
Eric Swanson
>
>
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I have found the Laskey mouthpieces to be of exceptional quality and value,
and I would wager that he has a very high standard of repeatibility. You may
find that you can go slightly larger than you ever thought that you could,
and with the improvements that Scott Laskey has made on so many different
mouthpieces, I feel that he has something very positive to offer. His
website is located at www.laskey.com.
Paul Kemp
Chattanooga Symphony
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 12:22:13 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jackie Harris-Stone <bassboneladymail at yahoo.com>
Subject: [TROMBONE-L:1031] Re: interesting student
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Gabe,
A rhythm thing that might be useful with your student...
It seems like every student goes through a stage where rhythm is hard. So far, I've been able to get mine to turn around fairly quickly using the principal of building on what you have. This also lets them work out rhythms on their own, and saves valuable time in the lessons...
Have them repeat any step until it's easy (excepting step A) , as if it's still uncomfortable, they don't have it learned. My general rule for repeating is three times in a row AND until it's easy. (If you can't tell if it is or not from their sound, ask them!)
A. Get the student to write in the counts of the section you are working on rhythm on if necessary. Generally, at most, I'll start with one or two bars at a time.
B. Count the rhythms out loud with the following method (learned from Audrey Morrison): SAY any count you start a note on; whisper any count that you hold or rest in. Subdivide the smallest rhythm necessary. For example, the rhythm dotted quarter, eighth, quarter rest quarter note in 4/4 time. this would be the following (whisper in lower case, spoken in bold)
ONE two AND three FOUR.
The whispering/speaking takes practice- (try it at home yourself first!) so say it with them the first few times, and then have them do it by themselves three times correctly in a row and continue till it's easy for them.
C Have them say it with their horn to their lips. This gets them producing air in the trombone in rhythm. (repeat 3X AND till easy)
D Have them play it on one note (for exaple all B flats) - this adds the vibration to the above but without having to deal with coordination issues (repeat 3X's and till easy)
E Have them play as written (repeat- oh, you've got the idea!)
Integrate it by playing before and after- repeat if necessary.
I have to admit, this can get very boring for the teacher, but it does seem to get them quickly over the counting hurdle (relatively so- the first few times, this is slow and tedious, but after a couple lessons to a couple months, you can set them on automatic pilot, and then send them home to work out the rhythms themselves.)
What I like about this, is the steps are small enough so the students can do them, master them, and go on, and once they have memorized the steps, they can do it without your help. Steps A, C and D are vital at first, though some of my older students can skip them fairly soon, or do without repetitions. They virtually eliminate the possibility of failure- not that, as has been pointed out, we can't learn from mistakes, but there are times when we need to develop the habit of success more.
Good luck, and let me know how/if this works for you!
Jackie Harris-Stone
Bass trombonist, Orquesta Sinfonica de Monterrey (UANL)
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<DIV>Gabe,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> A rhythm thing that might be useful with your student...</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> It seems like every student goes through a stage where rhythm is hard. So far, I've been able to get mine to turn around fairly quickly using the principal of building on what you have. This also lets them work out rhythms on their own, and saves valuable time in the lessons...</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Have them repeat any step until it's easy (excepting step A) , as if it's still uncomfortable, they don't have it learned. My general rule for repeating is three times in a row AND until it's easy. (If you can't tell if it is or not from their sound, ask them!)</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> A. Get the student to write in the counts of the section you are working on rhythm on if necessary. Generally, at most, I'll start with one or two bars at a time. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> B. Count the rhythms out loud with the following method (learned from Audrey Morrison): SAY any count you start a note on; whisper any count that you hold or rest in. Subdivide the smallest rhythm necessary. For example, the rhythm dotted quarter, eighth, quarter rest quarter note in 4/4 time. this would be the following (whisper in lower case, spoken in bold)</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> ONE two AND three FOUR.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The whispering/speaking takes practice- (try it at home yourself first!) so say it with them the first few times, and then have them do it by themselves three times correctly in a row and continue till it's easy for them.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> C Have them say it with their horn to their lips. This gets them producing air in the trombone in rhythm. (repeat 3X AND till easy)</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> D Have them play it on one note (for exaple all B flats) - this adds the vibration to the above but without having to deal with coordination issues (repeat 3X's and till easy)</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> E Have them play as written (repeat- oh, you've got the idea!)</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> Integrate it by playing before and after- repeat if necessary.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> I have to admit, this can get very boring for the teacher, but it does seem to get them quickly over the counting hurdle (relatively so- the first few times, this is slow and tedious, but after a couple lessons to a couple months, you can set them on automatic pilot, and then send them home to work out the rhythms themselves.) </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> What I like about this, is the steps are small enough so the students can do them, master them, and go on, and once they have memorized the steps, they can do it without your help. Steps A, C and D are vital at first, though some of my older students can skip them fairly soon, or do without repetitions. They virtually eliminate the possibility of failure- not that, as has been pointed out, we can't learn from mistakes, but there are times when we need to develop the habit of success more.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> Good luck, and let me know how/if this works for you!</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Jackie Harris-Stone</DIV>
<DIV>Bass trombonist, Orquesta Sinfonica de Monterrey (UANL)</DIV>
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 16:08:06 -0400
Subject: [TROMBONE-L:1032] Re: ITF 2004
From: Dale Cruse <dale at dalecruse.com>
To: <dschwar at bellatlantic.net>, <TROMBONE-L at server5.samford.edu>
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I was there and had a great time also.
This was truly a meeting of some giants - especially giants of bass
trombone. Doug Yeo, Charlie Vernon, Ed Kleinhammer, George Roberts, Tom
Everett, Blair Bollinger, Brandt Attema, Earl McIntyre. Jeez!
I took quite a number of photos, but here's one many folks may be interested
in: http://www.dalecruse.com/images/ykv.jpg It features Doug Yeo and
Charlie Vernon with their mentor, Edward Kleinhammer. It was my pleasure to
take that shot!
Here's looking forward to next year's "throw down at the hoedown" in New
Orleans!
----
Dale Cruse
www.dalecruse.com
playoflight.typepad.com
> From: "David A. Schwartz" <dschwar at bellatlantic.net>
> Reply-To: <dschwar at bellatlantic.net>
> Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 14:11:16 -0400
> To: <TROMBONE-L at server5.samford.edu>
> Subject: [TROMBONE-L:1028] Re: ITF 2004
>
> Earl Needham wrote:
>
>> At 03:07 PM 6/20/2004, Pete Soukup wrote:
>>
>>> Well,
>>>
>>> It's over. What a blast.
>>
>>
>> Oh how I wanted to be there! And couldn't. But my oldest son
>> made it and I felt just wonderful hearing him talk about seeing Mr.
>> Kleinhammer and meeting Mr. Bass Trombone -- er, I mean, Mr. Roberts.
>
> Lucky me. I got to take my younger son there.
>
> Someone pointed to Mr. Roberts sitting behind the Kanstul display.
> Andrew and I sat down with him for a conversation. Warm, cordial,
> positive, and happy. The next day, at the start of another
> conversation, and he greeted us like old friends.
>
> During the first conversation with Mr. Roberts I noticed Douglas Yeo and
> Tom Everett (both of whom live nearby, in Lexington, Massachusetts) had
> walked into the room and were somewhere near the Hickey's, Ergobone, and
> John Stork booths. I said to Mr. Roberts, "There are Doug Yeo and Tom
> Everett," and pointed them out. Immediately he got up, leaving his
> walker behind, and went over to hug both guys.
>
> ITF was extra special for me. I got to meet for the first time lots of
> trombone pro's and prof's to whom I've been sending my Bordogni
> play-along books and my "Breakfast" intonation practice play-along
> booklet. Most have been supportive in their emails, but it's nice,
> really nice, to see enthusiasm in their smiles, especially Art Jennings,
> James Scott, Mark Kellogg, Jan Kagarice, Robert Lindahl, George
> Broussard, Brad Edwards, Tom Gibson, Chuck DePaolo, and Charlie Vernon.
> It was also fun to meet Denis Wick, Buddy Baker, Dee Stewart, and Edward
> Kleinhammer (and to feel like they'd given me something in accepting my
> samples!).
>
> Friday night Late Night Jazz featured the Piedmont Trombone Society and
> the young winner of the Frank Rosolino Competition. Michael Dease was
> nice enough to share the stage with his Julliard colleague, runner up
> Willie Applewhite. Both played exquisite solos, fabulous. Each
> listened attentively to the other. The tension in their listening faces
> eased into big smiles when their teacher, Wycliffe Gordon took the
> stand, his solo showing everyone that his kids had a ways to go.
>
> Midnight back in the dorm and nine attendees hadn't had enough. A group
> inspired by Tom Izzo's and his contra played Jeremy Kempton's ensemble
> music until nearly three A.M. Three hours sleep was plenty. There
> would be no problem waking up in time to hear Messrs. Kleinheimer and
> Roberts early Saturday!
>
> David Schwartz
> http://www.nyx.net/~dschwart/
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From: "Raymond Horton" <RayHorton at insightbb.com>
To: <chris at trombone.org>, "Trombone-L" <trombone-l at server5.samford.edu>
Cc: "Harold Smith" <hsmith19 at austin.rr.com>
Subject: [TROMBONE-L:1033] Re: Bach 6 1/2 AL vs. Schilke 50
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 16:15:06 -0400
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Re: [TROMBONE-L:1020] Re: Bach 6 1/2 AL vs. Schilke 50For a different 6 =
1/2 AL or 5G try the FAXX brand. They are copies of Mt Vernon Bachs, =
are consistent in size, and are a real bargain at just over half the =
price of Bach mouthpieces. The only drawback is that they are only =
available in a few sizes (12C, 7C, 6 1/2 AL small shank, 6 1/2 and 5G =
large shank). I get them for my students all the time. They are =
available from Steve Ferguson for $18 and include a hard rubber carrying =
pouch.
Ray Horton
Bass Trombonist
Louisville Orchestra
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Chris Waage=20
To: RayHorton at insightbb.com=20
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 11:43 AM
Subject: Re: [TROMBONE-L:1020] Re: Bach 6 1/2 AL vs. Schilke 50
If you're considering a change, simply find one as cheap as you can =
and use it for a few weeks. Use it exclusively for that time, then =
switch back to the original mouthpiece for two weeks.
Play in as many situations as possible - different rooms, ensembles, =
etc. - because a mouthpiece that might feel great in a practice room can =
suck wind in a performance situation.
After the month of trial, you'll be able to tell which worked better. =
However, it has to be at least two weeks of daily use, or the formula =
doesn't work. By going for two weeks, you can get away from the "Wow! =
This feels really good!" initial impression to see if the "Wow!" stays.
A Bach 6-1/2AL to a Schilke 50 shouldn't be a major adjustment, other =
than the differences in the backbores. Sometimes the Schilke backbores =
on their tenor trombone mouthpieces seem to be quite a bit tighter than =
the corresponding Bach. =20
If you're happy with the overall response of the 6-1/2AL but find the =
rim uncomfortable, try a few different older 6-1/2ALs. Avoid the ones =
with VINCENT BACH CORPORATION in caps, because this is the most recent =
production which is produced on a computer-controlled lathe. The older =
ones sometimes would vary greatly because of wear on the form used in =
the lathe. Over the years I have owned five different Bach 5Gs, and =
they ranged from 1.00" in inside diameter to 1.03". All were original, =
unaltered factory mouthpieces.
My $0.0125
Chris
--=20
Chris Waage, Bass Trombonist
The Online Trombone Journal
www. trombone.org
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Chris Waage=20
To: Trombone-L=20
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 11:43 AM
Subject: [TROMBONE-L:1021] Re: Bach 6 1/2 AL vs. Schilke 50
If you're considering a change, simply find one as cheap as you can =
and use it for a few weeks. Use it exclusively for that time, then =
switch back to the original mouthpiece for two weeks.
Play in as many situations as possible - different rooms, ensembles, =
etc. - because a mouthpiece that might feel great in a practice room can =
suck wind in a performance situation.
After the month of trial, you'll be able to tell which worked better. =
However, it has to be at least two weeks of daily use, or the formula =
doesn't work. By going for two weeks, you can get away from the "Wow! =
This feels really good!" initial impression to see if the "Wow!" stays.
A Bach 6-1/2AL to a Schilke 50 shouldn't be a major adjustment, other =
than the differences in the backbores. Sometimes the Schilke backbores =
on their tenor trombone mouthpieces seem to be quite a bit tighter than =
the corresponding Bach. =20
If you're happy with the overall response of the 6-1/2AL but find the =
rim uncomfortable, try a few different older 6-1/2ALs. Avoid the ones =
with VINCENT BACH CORPORATION in caps, because this is the most recent =
production which is produced on a computer-controlled lathe. The older =
ones sometimes would vary greatly because of wear on the form used in =
the lathe. Over the years I have owned five different Bach 5Gs, and =
they ranged from 1.00" in inside diameter to 1.03". All were original, =
unaltered factory mouthpieces.
My $0.0125
Chris
--=20
Chris Waage, Bass Trombonist
The Online Trombone Journal
www. trombone.org
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>For a different 6 1/2 AL or 5G try the =
FAXX=20
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size,=20
and are a real bargain at just over half the price of Bach=20
mouthpieces. The only drawback is that they are only available in =
a few=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Ray Horton</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Bass Trombonist</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Louisville Orchestra</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June 21, 2004 =
11:43=20
AM</DIV>
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Re: Bach 6=20
1/2 AL vs. Schilke 50</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12px">If =
you=92re=20
considering a change, simply find one as cheap as you can and use it =
for a few=20
weeks. Use it exclusively for that time, then switch back to the =
original mouthpiece for two weeks.<BR><BR>Play in as many situations =
as=20
possible =96 different rooms, ensembles, etc. - because a mouthpiece =
that might=20
feel great in a practice room can suck wind in a performance=20
situation.<BR><BR>After the month of trial, you=92ll be able to tell =
which=20
worked better. However, it has to be at least two weeks of daily =
use, or=20
the formula doesn=92t work. By going for two weeks, you can get =
away from=20
the =93Wow! This feels really good!=94 initial impression to see =
if the=20
=93Wow!=94 stays.<BR><BR>A Bach 6-1/2AL to a Schilke 50 shouldn=92t be =
a major=20
adjustment, other than the differences in the backbores. =
Sometimes the=20
Schilke backbores on their tenor trombone mouthpieces seem to be quite =
a bit=20
tighter than the corresponding Bach. <BR><BR>If you=92re happy =
with the=20
overall response of the 6-1/2AL but find the rim uncomfortable, try a =
few=20
different older 6-1/2ALs. Avoid the ones with VINCENT BACH =
CORPORATION=20
in caps, because this is the most recent production which is =
produced on=20
a computer-controlled lathe. The older ones sometimes would vary =
greatly=20
because of wear on the form used in the lathe. Over the years I =
have=20
owned five different Bach 5Gs, and they ranged from 1.00=94 in inside =
diameter=20
to 1.03=94. All were original, unaltered factory =
mouthpieces.<BR><BR>My=20
$0.0125<BR><BR>Chris<BR><BR><BR>-- <BR>Chris Waage, Bass =
Trombonist<BR>The=20
Online Trombone Journal<BR> www.=20
trombone.org<BR></SPAN></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
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style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
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<A title=3Dchris at trombone.org href=3D"mailto:chris at trombone.org">Chris =
Waage</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
title=3Dtrombone-l at server5.samford.edu=20
href=3D"mailto:trombone-l at server5.samford.edu">Trombone-L</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June 21, 2004 =
11:43=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [TROMBONE-L:1021] Re: =
Bach 6 1/2=20
AL vs. Schilke 50</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12px">If =
you=92re=20
considering a change, simply find one as cheap as you can and use it =
for a few=20
weeks. Use it exclusively for that time, then switch back to the =
original mouthpiece for two weeks.<BR><BR>Play in as many situations =
as=20
possible =96 different rooms, ensembles, etc. - because a mouthpiece =
that might=20
feel great in a practice room can suck wind in a performance=20
situation.<BR><BR>After the month of trial, you=92ll be able to tell =
which=20
worked better. However, it has to be at least two weeks of daily =
use, or=20
the formula doesn=92t work. By going for two weeks, you can get =
away from=20
the =93Wow! This feels really good!=94 initial impression to see =
if the=20
=93Wow!=94 stays.<BR><BR>A Bach 6-1/2AL to a Schilke 50 shouldn=92t be =
a major=20
adjustment, other than the differences in the backbores. =
Sometimes the=20
Schilke backbores on their tenor trombone mouthpieces seem to be quite =
a bit=20
tighter than the corresponding Bach. <BR><BR>If you=92re happy =
with the=20
overall response of the 6-1/2AL but find the rim uncomfortable, try a =
few=20
different older 6-1/2ALs. Avoid the ones with VINCENT BACH =
CORPORATION=20
in caps, because this is the most recent production which is =
produced on=20
a computer-controlled lathe. The older ones sometimes would vary =
greatly=20
because of wear on the form used in the lathe. Over the years I =
have=20
owned five different Bach 5Gs, and they ranged from 1.00=94 in inside =
diameter=20
to 1.03=94. All were original, unaltered factory =
mouthpieces.<BR><BR>My=20
$0.0125<BR><BR>Chris<BR><BR><BR>-- <BR>Chris Waage, Bass =
Trombonist<BR>The=20
Online Trombone Journal<BR> www.=20
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 22:23:01 +0200
From: Simon G P Bailey <Simon.Bailey at uibk.ac.at>
To: Trombone-L <trombone-l at server5.samford.edu>
Subject: [TROMBONE-L:1034] Re: Bach 6 1/2 AL vs. Schilke 50
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you could also try the Klier brand mouthpieces -- i switched to Klier about a
year or so ago, and the mouthpiece really improved my playing. when i was
looking around for a smaller mouthpiece i tried the Bach 6+1/2, but the Klier
equivalent was a lot more comfortable for me.
www.klier.de -- as always, ymmv. :)
regards,
simon.
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From: "Raymond Horton" <RayHorton at insightbb.com>
To: <swan325 at earthlink.net>, <sarapete at sympatico.ca>
Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." <TROMBONE-L at server5.samford.edu>
Subject: [TROMBONE-L:1035] Re: a couple of equipment questions
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Just buy a tenor one and cork it up. I use an old H & B "SoloTone" one a
lot for solos. I love it.
Ray Horton
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric & Candice Swanson" <swan325 at earthlink.net>
To: <sarapete at sympatico.ca>
Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." <TROMBONE-L at server5.samford.edu>
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 3:18 PM
Subject: [TROMBONE-L:1029] Re: a couple of equipment questions
> Peter Collins & Sara Wilbur wrote:
>
> >1. Does anybody know if there is such a mute as a solotone for bass
> >trombone? Does anybody have one for sale?
> >
> I also played a show that called for Solotone mute for bass trombone. I
> searched all over and could not find anything close. Humes and Berg,
> who make the red and white "Stonelined" mutes, make what they call the
> "Cleartone" mute that we all accept to be the Solotone nowadays. They
> do not make the "Cleartone" for bass trombone, just one size--small bore
> tenor. I just told the conductor that there was no such mute, and he
> said to use straight, no big deal.
>
> >
> >2. Are there metal linkages available for a standard, independent
> >Edwards bass trombone? ...Would this be a total custom job?
> >
> >
> >
> Yes, I think this would be a custom job. Gary Greenhoe, some time ago,
> offered to sell the metal linkages he uses. You might contact him if
> that's the type linkage you are looking for.
>
> Eric Swanson
>
> >
> >
>
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From: "Dean McCarty" <bassbone at gt.rr.com>
To: "Trombone-L" <trombone-l at server5.samford.edu>
Subject: [TROMBONE-L:1036] Performance invitation for Texas and Lousiana musicians
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 16:32:45 -0500
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Each year my church sponsors a patriotic themed concert. I have changed =
this over the past three years and made it into a large volunteer =
concert band. Last year we had over 80 participants... including about 5 =
from the trombone-L. Wayne Dyess also was featured as a soloist last =
year.=20
Here is your invitation for this year:=20
"Come Blow Your Horn! 2004"=20
open to all instrumentalists (woodwind, brass, percussion)=20
must be an entering high school freshman or older=20
Saturday, June 26, 10:00 AM - 1:00 PM (rehearsal)=20
lunch will be provided following the rehearsal=20
Sunday, June 27, 6:00 PM (concert)=20
This year we will feature Donny Todd and Dean McCarty (both area =
trombonists and members of the Symphony of Southeast Texas) in a =
tenor/bass trombone duet written by Michael Davis. "Life Lived" is a =
tribute to the September 11 victims. This will be accompanied by a =
trombone choir.=20
For more information either call or email me.=20
Thanks.=20
Dean McCarty <><
freelance trombonist, Houston area
Director of Bands, Kelly High School - Beaumont, Tx.
Director of Instrumental Ministries, FBC - Vidor, Tx.
E.K. Blessing Co. Inc. Trombone Clinician
bassbone at gt.rr.com
(409) 681-9976
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my church sponsors a patriotic themed concert. I have changed this over =
the past=20
three years and made it into a large volunteer concert band. Last year =
we had=20
over 80 participants... including about 5 from the trombone-L. Wayne =
Dyess also=20
was featured as a soloist last year. <BR><BR>Here is your invitation for =
this=20
year: <BR><BR></FONT><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 18px; LINE-HEIGHT: =
normal"><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: red">"Come Blow Your Horn! =
2004"</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3> <BR>open to all instrumentalists =
(woodwind,=20
brass, percussion) <BR>must be an entering high school freshman or older =
<BR><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: blue">Saturday, June 26, 10:00 AM - 1:00 PM=20
(rehearsal)</SPAN> <BR>lunch will be provided following the rehearsal =
<BR><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: blue">Sunday, June 27, 6:00 PM (concert)</SPAN> =
<BR><BR>This year=20
we will feature Donny Todd and Dean McCarty (both area trombonists and =
members=20
of the Symphony of Southeast Texas) in a tenor/bass trombone duet =
written by=20
Michael Davis. "Life Lived" is a tribute to the September 11 victims. =
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call or=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dean McCarty <><<BR>freelance =
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Tx.<BR>Director=20
of Instrumental Ministries, FBC - Vidor, Tx.<BR>E.K. Blessing Co. Inc. =
Trombone=20
Clinician<BR><A =
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681-9976</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
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From: "Bob Koester" <bobkoester at msn.com>
To: sarapete at sympatico.ca, TROMBONE-L at server5.SAMFORD.EDU
Subject: [TROMBONE-L:1037] RE: a couple of equipment questions
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 19:08:11 -0500
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Peter,
I tried the H&B Cleartone all corked up to fit my 50B2. It's unsatisfactory
at best. Having said that, I've never had a road conductor question the use
of a straight mute. I'm sure there's one out there that would, but I
haven't met him/her. Also, most of the guys around here (Kansas City) don't
even carry solotones for their tenor trombones, and nobody seems to care.
(I do, because there's one Russ Morgan type lick on one book I play often
where the leader thinks it's cool...ah, the music business.)
Good luck,
Bob
>From: Peter Collins & Sara Wilbur <sarapete at sympatico.ca>
>Reply-To: sarapete at sympatico.ca
>To: "Trombones and related issues forum." <TROMBONE-L at server5.SAMFORD.EDU>
>Subject: [TROMBONE-L:1023] a couple of equipment questions
>Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 13:34:27 -0400
>
>Hi all,
>
>I have a couple of questions for the vast knowledge of the list out
>there:
>
>1. Does anybody know if there is such a mute as a solotone for bass
>trombone? Does anybody have one for sale?
>
>2. Are there metal linkages available for a standard, independant
>Edwards bass trombone? I have the original plastic linkages but want to
>make some improvements to my horn eventually and was wondering about
>metal linkages. Would this be a total custom job?
>
>Thank you very much for your time.
>
>Peter Collins
>Bass Trombone
>Hamilton Philharmonic Orchestra
>
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From: "Bob Koester" <bobkoester at msn.com>
To: RayHorton at insightbb.com, hsmith19 at austin.rr.com,
trombone-l at server5.samford.edu
Subject: [TROMBONE-L:1038] Re: Bach 6 1/2 AL vs. Schilke 50
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 19:17:25 -0500
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Another thought, if you want to spend the money would be to try a 59 rim on
a 58 cup. I used that combination for a couple of years and was generally
satisfied as I like the 59 rim. The Yeo's a great mouthpiece, but about a
year and a half ago I put it on the shelf in favor of a Laskey 93D. The
response over the full range is about the same as the Yeo but there are two
distinguishing characteristics for me. (1) the ease of response in the
valve and pedal/pedal valve registers, and (2) the rim comfort. Doug Yeo's
rim is very, very comfortable, but to my face the Laskey is more so, and
more comfortable than the 59.
Best to all,
Bob Koester
>From: "Raymond Horton" <RayHorton at insightbb.com>
>Reply-To: RayHorton at insightbb.com
>To: <hsmith19 at austin.rr.com>, <trombone-l at server5.samford.edu>
>Subject: [TROMBONE-L:1020] Re: Bach 6 1/2 AL vs. Schilke 50
>Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 11:25:50 -0400
>
>Harold, I was never able to get a Bach 1G to work for me. I feel that it
>does not have enough of a throat, that it flares out too much, too quickly.
> I know others agree with me. I used a Doug Elliott 114K8, which has the
>same or virtually the same rim, for many years and would highly recommend
>that you try one.along with some of the other Doug Elliott variations. The
>114K8 is shallower than both the Bach 1G and the Yeo, and is much more
>controllable.
>I cut my Bach 1G into a rim for buzzing on the horn (then I lost it - such
>is life).
>
>If the Yeo is too deep, but you like the rim size, the DE 114K8 would be a
>good bet for you. Doug will send you a few on a trial basis.
>
>Actually, there is quite a jump from a 1 1/2 to a 1. In between is a Bach
>1 1/4G and GM. Another one you could try, larger than a 1 1/4 but smaller
>than the ones you are struggling with, would be a Schilke 59. You could
>pick up a used one of those quite inexpensively most weeks on the OnLine
>Trombone Journal. (Come to think of it, I have both a 1/4G and a 59
>wasting space here. Both are old but in good condition. Make me an offer
>and I may consider it...)
>
>Ray Horton
>Bass Trombonist
>Louisville Orchestra
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Harold Smith
> To: trombone-l at server5.samford.edu
> Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 9:19 PM
> Subject: [TROMBONE-L:1014] Re: Bach 6 1/2 AL vs. Schilke 50
>
>
> Since mouthpieces are pretty much a personal thing, I hate to recommend
>something as an absolute. It would help a bit to know what kind of horn
>play as well.
> ...
> I use a Bach 1 1/2G as my primary on my Bach 50 bass. as I get more
>adept on the horn I am finding the need to expand to a larger mpc. I
>bought a Bach 1G. It works fairly well, but I am not where I can use it
>with any power. It tends to be a real lung vacuum. The mpc that can with
>my Bach 50 was a Yeo signature, Yamaha. Although it is similar to the Bach
>1G, it proved to be way more mpc than I can use.
>
> Well that is my 2 cents worth. Hope it helps.
>
> Harold Smith
> Austin, Tx
>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 18:58:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Izzo <contrabasstrombone at yahoo.com>
Subject: [TROMBONE-L:1039] Re: Premiere performance of my new band, PanAmerica, Thurs. 6/17 at the ITF, Ithaca, NY
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Hi all,
--- sabutin <sabutin at mindspring.com> wrote:
> Hi all...
>
> I'm sure whomever is going to be at the ITF in
> Ithaca will know about
> this, but just in case...
>
> The first performance of my new band, PanAmerica,
> will be at a
> concert Thursday night at the ITF in Ithaca.
>
> 5 trombones, 4 rhythm.
>
> Come if you're free.
>
> It's going to be...interesting.
>
> I will GUARANTEE that you have never heard any other
> band like it.
>
As one who has just returned from the ITF, I have to
concur, and Sam, it IS a great sounding band!
Tom
=====
Tom Izzo
Principal Trombonist, Bristol Renaissance Faire;
Bass Trombonist, West Suburban Symphony Orchestra;
Founding Director, The Naperville Area Trombone Ensemble;
Alto/Tenor/Bass/Contrabass Trombones, Tubas, Euphonium, Bass Trumpet, Electric Bass, Timpani & Percussion.
http://www.Geocities.com/Vienna/Studio/7875/
(630) 858-7832
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 19:30:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Izzo <contrabasstrombone at yahoo.com>
Subject: [TROMBONE-L:1040] Re: [Fwd: Combo instrumentation?]
To: eljaywhite at shaw.ca, needhame1 at plateautel.net,
trombone-l <trombone-l at server5.samford.edu>
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Sorry Folks, I think Earl posted a trick question
here, & most fell for it.
> Do you think we could add jazz
> dirigerderoo? (How do you spell that,
> anyway???)
"T-H-A-T, that"
see that was easy.
Tom
:-)
>
=====
Tom Izzo
Principal Trombonist, Bristol Renaissance Faire;
Bass Trombonist, West Suburban Symphony Orchestra;
Founding Director, The Naperville Area Trombone Ensemble;
Alto/Tenor/Bass/Contrabass Trombones, Tubas, Euphonium, Bass Trumpet, Electric Bass, Timpani & Percussion.
http://www.Geocities.com/Vienna/Studio/7875/
(630) 858-7832
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 20:40:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Izzo <contrabasstrombone at yahoo.com>
Subject: [TROMBONE-L:1041] Re: a couple of equipment questions
To: sarapete at sympatico.ca,
"Trombones and related issues forum." <TROMBONE-L at server5.SAMFORD.EDU>
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Peter,
--- Peter Collins & Sara Wilbur
<sarapete at sympatico.ca> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I have a couple of questions for the vast knowledge
> of the list out
> there:
>
> 1. Does anybody know if there is such a mute as a
> solotone for bass
> trombone? Does anybody have one for sale?
>
I have a Humes & Berg Model, listed as for "Trombone".
It fits my 36B, 42B, & 50T2 (with the 9.5" bell). It
does not work, tho, in my 50B2L (10.5" bell).
I'm sure one could add cork for a larger throat if one
is only using it for one instrument.
I'm sure when that mute sound was in its heyday, there
were "Bass" Trombone models out there.
Sorry, that it's not for sale.
> 2. Are there metal linkages available for a
> standard, independant
> Edwards bass trombone? I have the original plastic
> linkages but want to
> make some improvements to my horn eventually and was
> wondering about
> metal linkages. Would this be a total custom job?
Did you try Todd Clontz (in Baltimore? I think)?
Tom
>
=====
Tom Izzo
Principal Trombonist, Bristol Renaissance Faire;
Bass Trombonist, West Suburban Symphony Orchestra;
Founding Director, The Naperville Area Trombone Ensemble;
Alto/Tenor/Bass/Contrabass Trombones, Tubas, Euphonium, Bass Trumpet, Electric Bass, Timpani & Percussion.
http://www.Geocities.com/Vienna/Studio/7875/
(630) 858-7832
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 22:01:18 -0700
To: Tom Izzo <contrabasstrombone at yahoo.com>, eljaywhite at shaw.ca,
trombone-l <trombone-l at server5.samford.edu>
From: Earl Needham <needhame1 at plateautel.net>
Subject: [TROMBONE-L:1042] Re: [Fwd: Combo instrumentation?]
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At 07:30 PM 6/21/2004, Tom Izzo wrote:
>Sorry Folks, I think Earl posted a trick question
>here, & most fell for it.
>
>
> > Do you think we could add jazz
> > dirigerderoo? (How do you spell that,
> > anyway???)
>
>"T-H-A-T, that"
>see that was easy.
Argh! Even *I* missed it (spelled eye tee)!
Earl
Earl Needham, KD5XB, Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk
SETI at Home: 11632WU/7.55yrs
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